CX-70 will have same exterior dimensions as CX-90

[ceric]

Model for model they are also more expensive and of a lesser quality compared to the completely sorted-out CX-5. After comparing them side by side the 5 was an easy choice for me, but for those seeking a more rugged lifestyle the 50 would likely be a no-brainer.

Same here. I once parked my CX5 next to a CX-50. The latter is lower and wide. I like the look better actually. However, the beam rear suspension is a turnoff for me.
CX-5 is a matured package. Big seller for Mazda. I don't see how Mazda will discontinue it unless the sale drops so low. Rumor has it that PHEV will come to CX-5 also, not just CX-50.
Maybe a 2L PHEV, not 2.5L to have market separation from bigger models.
In some countries, vehicle tax is based on engine displacement... reasonable or not.

 

[Muggs1]

Just as clarification, the CX-5 now represents about 35% of all Mazda sales. They are slowing working to even out the sales of all their models so that the loss of the CX-5 won't sting so bad.

There will be the CX-30, the CX-50, the CX-70 and the CX-90. I predict the CX-5 will be gone the year after the CX-70 is released (2026-2027).

It has been confirmed that CX5 will get a new model for the 2025 year, therefore there is no chance that Mazda will be getting rid of their best seller.

 

[murky]

Well now I'm hoping they put a plugin hybrid in the CX-5 and up its towing capacity. That's really what I want. I'm fine if its a little bigger but I don't need a car the size of a CX-90.

 

[ceric]

PHEV is coming to 2024 CX-50 and 2025 CX-5 (new).
So, I heard from rumors online.

 

[hoodlum]

PHEV is coming to 2024 CX-50 and 2025 CX-5 (new).
So, I heard from rumors online.

The 2024 CX-50 will definitely be a Hybrid (Toyota based) and not PHEV. That was already confirmed by Mazda. The next CX-5 is unknown for now.

 

[dougal]

Just as clarification, the CX-5 now represents about 35% of all Mazda sales. They are slowing working to even out the sales of all their models so that the loss of the CX-5 won't sting so bad.

There will be the CX-30, the CX-50, the CX-70 and the CX-90. I predict the CX-5 will be gone the year after the CX-70 is released (2026-2027).

November sales are interesting. CX-5 sales are dropping and CX-30 and CX50 sales are increasing. And they are selling more CX-90's than they ever sold CX-9s. CX-30 plus CX-50 sales are equal to CX-5 sales. The CX-70 will further erode CX-5 sales and in my mind, make the CX-5 obsolete.

Mazda Reports November Sales Results

IRVINE, Calif., Dec. 1, 2023 /PRNewswire/ --...

www.streetinsider.com

 

[murky]

November sales are interesting. CX-5 sales are dropping and CX-30 and CX50 sales are increasing. And they are selling more CX-90's than they ever sold CX-9s. CX-30 plus CX-50 sales are equal to CX-5 sales. The CX-70 will further erode CX-5 sales and in my mind, make the CX-5 obsolete.

Mazda Reports November Sales Results

IRVINE, Calif., Dec. 1, 2023 /PRNewswire/ --...

www.streetinsider.com

I don't see CX-70 taking many sales from CX-5 if it is just a 2-row CX-90. I want a version of the CX-60 I guess, which thought the CX-70 was going to be.

 

[dougal]

I don't see CX-70 taking many sales from CX-5 if it is just a 2-row CX-90. I want a version of the CX-60 I guess, which thought the CX-70 was going to be.

But if it is more like a CX-60, do you?

 

[murky]

But if it is more like a CX-60, do you?

Yes, probably some overlap there

 

[PTguy]

https://topelectricsuv.com/news/maz...s/#Why_the_CX-70_wont_affect_CX-50_CX-5_sales dated Dec 27,2023 and Car & Driver for the CX-90:
Length: CX-60 186.8", -70 193", -90 201.6"
Width: -60 74.4", -70 76", -90 77.6"
Height: -60 66.1", -70 67", -90 68.2"

They say that the Spring 2024 release of the -70 allows for more production volume of the good selling -90.

 

[markfm]

The stated CX-70 values are the same as a Lexus RX-350. I hope it comes in slightly longer, for more legroom/cargo capacity. Just a couple inches would be good.

 

[murky]

I'd love the quoted size, but sounds like its just made up, and listed in the table as "expected".

 

[ceric]

https://topelectricsuv.com/news/maz...s/#Why_the_CX-70_wont_affect_CX-50_CX-5_sales dated Dec 27,2023 and Car & Driver for the CX-90:
Length: CX-60 186.8", -70 193", -90 201.6"
Width: -60 74.4", -70 76", -90 77.6"
Height: -60 66.1", -70 67", -90 68.2"

They say that the Spring 2024 release of the -70 allows for more production volume of the good selling -90.

The quoted dimensions for CX-70 is simply the average of CX-60 and CX-90.
B = (A+C)/2
Can't be way off, but baseless. Just a good guess.

 

[markfm]

The simple divide by 2 would make length 194(.2). Then again, maybe C&D can't do math (194 or 195 be nicer for me).

 

[ceric]

The simple divide by 2 would make length 194(.2). Then again, maybe C&D can't do math (194 or 195 be nicer for me).

They buried this small deviation so that we cannot claim they simply took the average... Good move by C&D.

 

[dougal]

Yes, probably some overlap there

I have a feeling that the car is going to be very similar in length and space to the CX-60 but with the width of a CX-90. The reverse of the CX-8 and CX-80.

 

[markfm]

CX-50: 186″ L x 76″ W x 64″ H CX-60: 186.8" L x 74.4" W x 66.1" H CX-90: 201.6" L x 77.6" W x 68.2" H

The 60 is basically the same length as the CX-50. It would be nuts to have another CX-50-length CX-series vehicle for the US market, especially given the longitudinal engine in the 70 compared to the transverse in the 50 cuts into cabin space. The 70 is supposed to be a true mid-sized premium-ish 2-row SUV; I'd expect length > 193, and hopefully more like the X5 (194 - 195 range).

 

[dougal]

CX-50: 186″ L x 76″ W x 64″ H CX-60: 186.8" L x 74.4" W x 66.1" H CX-90: 201.6" L x 77.6" W x 68.2" H

The 60 is basically the same length as the CX-50. It would be nuts to have another CX-50-length CX-series vehicle for the US market, especially given the longitudinal engine in the 70 compared to the transverse in the 50 cuts into cabin space. The 70 is supposed to be a true mid-sized premium-ish 2-row SUV; I'd expect length > 193, and hopefully more like the X5 (194 - 195 range).

Wow, I did not realize how close the CX-50 and CX-60 were in size. I just keep thinking Mazda is going to cheap out and do something simple.

 

[dwswager]

CX-50: 186″ L x 76″ W x 64″ H CX-60: 186.8" L x 74.4" W x 66.1" H CX-90: 201.6" L x 77.6" W x 68.2" H

The 60 is basically the same length as the CX-50. It would be nuts to have another CX-50-length CX-series vehicle for the US market, especially given the longitudinal engine in the 70 compared to the transverse in the 50 cuts into cabin space. The 70 is supposed to be a true mid-sized premium-ish 2-row SUV; I'd expect length > 193, and hopefully more like the X5 (194 - 195 range).

The CX-50 is the idiocy. Based on the number scheme it apparently was intended as the replacement for the CX-5, but he CX-5 still outsells the CX-50 more than 2.5:1. This especially since the 50 has less passenger volume and only a nominal increase in cargo capacity compared to the CX-5.

I expected the CX-70 to be somewhat longer than the CX-60, but hope it is not a pig. Best news came from Car and Driver when they reported the CX-70 will have a shorter wheelbase than the CX-90. If the CX-50 had a 340HP inline 6 and rear biased all-wheel drive with independent suspension that would be cool.

Don't forget that Corporate Average Fuel Economy standards has been distorting the market for decades. It is why sedans and compact trucks are disappearing. If a manufacturer can classify the vehicle as a light truck, they get an easier standard to meet. And with the ability to AVERAGE they can use the extra to sell heavy, big boats for lots of profit. There is also an "Off-Road" out which is why all these things have too much ground clearance and "off-road" modes when most of them won't be any further off road than a grass or gravel parking lot. There are also footprint dead zones where no manufacturer will go.

 

[dougal]

The CX-50 is the idiocy. Based on the number scheme it apparently was intended as the replacement for the CX-5, but he CX-5 still outsells the CX-50 more than 2.5:1. This especially since the 50 has less passenger volume and only a nominal increase in cargo capacity compared to the CX-5.

The CX50 is still hampered by limited availability. My local dealer has 111 CX-5s and 18 CX-50s for sale. The second most common car at my local dealer is the CX-30 -48 of those. If I look at multiple other dealers, that ratio is similar. People buy what vendors have.