azmavhockey3
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I was wondering what exactly the CP-E Full control Flash actually does? right now im running a Unichip with a custom tune. so, would this flash give me better results with a piggyback?
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possibly, but not really worth it unless you have a rebuilt K04 or a big turbo. The stock turbo runs out of steam near the top end for a reason, because it is so small and it loses all its efficiency to heat above 5500 rpm. Mazda made the throttle start to close around then to make the turbo last longer.
Young Roids
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I have heard it works great. Much better than ap.
Full controll lets you get WOT when you floor it. The stock computer will not open the throttle all the way when you floor it.
azmavhockey3
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the unichip dosnt give you the same results as a the CPE full control?
azmavhockey3
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unichip isnt bad for me... i was just wondering about the full control flash and how it would work with a piggyback... or piasini.... would it be worth it?? or is it either a piggyback or a flash and thats it?
The Full Throttle will just get you that - Full Throttle. It will get you nothing else and on a Stock Turbo you will get no benefit to justify the cost.
You will not get any gain towards redline as the Throttle is not the limiting factor, CAMs are. (if you're thinking the Full Control will give you power past 5.5RPM's - You might get a few more HP but thats it).
Cobb proved that with the stock turbo there is no gain. However, they did stipulate that with a Bigger Turbo, you might see some gain as the turbo will not run out of breath.
Now with that in mind Cobbs AP (103 Maps) has Full Throttle, but only because everyone wanted it, not because it actually did anything. The flip side is that it does not hurt anything ether.
Simply look at any Full Throttle/SB Dyno using the stock turbo. The Power still drops at 5.5RPMs. The only time you will see a stock turbo Dyno with power past 6k is an AP dyno and that is because they can get a little more because the AP can adjust CAM Phasing and the SB can't (Not positive this is what they are doing as they don't say, just an educated guess on my part).
Piasini - Ah it will overwrite your Unichip and from what I saw personally on a fully bolted car - It sucks. Some people with minor bolt on's report that they like it, but to date there is no real dyno data to back this up on a car with any serious mods. My buddy who was fully bolted had all kinds of issues running the flash. So my info is based off of actually riding in the car and capturing data on a DashHawk and viewing it. Not to mention Nypest has flown the coop as far as I have heard. He has not posted sense Oct on any forums. I'm sorry but for $500+, customer service to me is important.
Look - There is just a TON of mis-information on these forums. It's getting harder and harder to determine good info from bad. Do a LOT of research before you jump is my opinion. Don't listen to people that say get this don't get that (myself included), do your own research and then and only then will you be able to filter out the fanboi's from the people who will give un-biased opinions/suggestions.
Good luck in your decision. My opinion - Don't worry about Full Throttle. If you MUST have it, then get the CP-E Flash as that is your only option if you want to keep your Unichip (Which I'm pretty sure you have it connected using the Spider Looms and not a PNP Harness, so removing it would be a PITA).
You will not get any gain towards redline as the Throttle is not the limiting factor, CAMs are. (if you're thinking the Full Control will give you power past 5.5RPM's - You might get a few more HP but thats it).
Cobb proved that with the stock turbo there is no gain. However, they did stipulate that with a Bigger Turbo, you might see some gain as the turbo will not run out of breath.
Now with that in mind Cobbs AP (103 Maps) has Full Throttle, but only because everyone wanted it, not because it actually did anything. The flip side is that it does not hurt anything ether.
Simply look at any Full Throttle/SB Dyno using the stock turbo. The Power still drops at 5.5RPMs. The only time you will see a stock turbo Dyno with power past 6k is an AP dyno and that is because they can get a little more because the AP can adjust CAM Phasing and the SB can't (Not positive this is what they are doing as they don't say, just an educated guess on my part).
Piasini - Ah it will overwrite your Unichip and from what I saw personally on a fully bolted car - It sucks. Some people with minor bolt on's report that they like it, but to date there is no real dyno data to back this up on a car with any serious mods. My buddy who was fully bolted had all kinds of issues running the flash. So my info is based off of actually riding in the car and capturing data on a DashHawk and viewing it. Not to mention Nypest has flown the coop as far as I have heard. He has not posted sense Oct on any forums. I'm sorry but for $500+, customer service to me is important.
Look - There is just a TON of mis-information on these forums. It's getting harder and harder to determine good info from bad. Do a LOT of research before you jump is my opinion. Don't listen to people that say get this don't get that (myself included), do your own research and then and only then will you be able to filter out the fanboi's from the people who will give un-biased opinions/suggestions.
Good luck in your decision. My opinion - Don't worry about Full Throttle. If you MUST have it, then get the CP-E Flash as that is your only option if you want to keep your Unichip (Which I'm pretty sure you have it connected using the Spider Looms and not a PNP Harness, so removing it would be a PITA).
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AutoXRacer
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I have the Full Control Flash from CP-E and the Standback...they work awesome together!!!!
I first got the Full Control Flash (FCF) and I got very good gains in the low to mid RPM range. Unfortunately, the gains on the high RPM band side are nil; I actually lost a few WHPs... But again, who drives this car between 6-7K?
You basically get more area under the curve with the FCF in the low to mid range RPM band. With a bigger turbo, the benefits just multiply.
Also, you get more efficiency out of your current mods.
The ECU only opens the throttle plate at a max of 82% (with an upgraded fuel pump) for like 1-2 seconds and then shuts it down to 65-70%; actually if flutters between 40-70%... With FCF, you get 100% as soon as your foot goes to the floor till you lift off.
Is it worth it? If you have mods, yes... I would save the FCF for when you are fully bolted; intake, inlet, BPV, intercooler, and TBE.
By the way, when Tru tried out the FCF, he was on stock intercooler which has a major restriction... I agree the gains on the top end are nil, but the low and mid range are awesome. After I got the flash, I was engaging traction control on 3rd gear...
Oh, and it will work with piggy backs...
I first got the Full Control Flash (FCF) and I got very good gains in the low to mid RPM range. Unfortunately, the gains on the high RPM band side are nil; I actually lost a few WHPs... But again, who drives this car between 6-7K?
You basically get more area under the curve with the FCF in the low to mid range RPM band. With a bigger turbo, the benefits just multiply.
Also, you get more efficiency out of your current mods.
The ECU only opens the throttle plate at a max of 82% (with an upgraded fuel pump) for like 1-2 seconds and then shuts it down to 65-70%; actually if flutters between 40-70%... With FCF, you get 100% as soon as your foot goes to the floor till you lift off.
Is it worth it? If you have mods, yes... I would save the FCF for when you are fully bolted; intake, inlet, BPV, intercooler, and TBE.
By the way, when Tru tried out the FCF, he was on stock intercooler which has a major restriction... I agree the gains on the top end are nil, but the low and mid range are awesome. After I got the flash, I was engaging traction control on 3rd gear...
Oh, and it will work with piggy backs...
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I don't have an upgraded intercooler, and after I got the FCF, I was engaging traction control in 3rd gear too!! That was the first thing I reported to Lou at CP-E since I was the first speed3 to have the flash. With Traction control off, I was feeling a huge difference in WOT that even my girlfriend noticed. The 3rd gear wheel spin was new to me to.
I got the FCF because of the mods I was getting ready to put on, but now that I decided to basically stop modding the speed3, I'm still happy with the FCF. Just with intake and exhaust, you will notice a pretty substantial difference in WOT, and by referencing the dynos, there is more area under the curve in HP and TQ which is always a good thing
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