Couple Basic MPI Questions

[Bigg Tim]

man, nick is making a killing off of that tuner. the unit is 300 new (close to his cost) and he just modifies it a bit for the protege. I need to get into this business.

-B

So the cost of the changes and R&D does not justify the price? Do you think it's free to have PP change the unit to his spec's? There is no way you can spend 300 bucks and get what Nick has had put in the MPI. You aren't even supposed to be able to get the SMT-6 for $300. It's supposed to be closer to $400+. PP does not allow thier vendors to sell it that cheap. I have been working with Nick from the beginning and I know he has had a least 4-5 SW revisions and 2 HW revisions. That s*** costs money, and the unit he gets is not $300. There are plenty of products in general that get more than 100% markup, so it is given. Do you think it costs 1k to make a intercooler? So you are paying more for anything you get. Like I said, the modifications alone justify the additional cost.

Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that the $795 includes the turbo module which adds the 100 bucks to the unit. I know the module almost costs nick that much just to build it. I know because I was going to build them for him since it takes a while to build. So he is not making as much as you think he is, not to say he isn't making anything off of the units.

 

[ONRAILS]

So you think MPI is better than all the other more expensive EMS?

The apexi S-AFCII is pretty comparable, and costs about the same.

 

[azian6er]

ok, i apologize for stirring things up. All i know is that once i told my manifold builder (who gets his smt-6 stuff from Nick) that nick was charging 800 bucks for the "mpi tuner" he almost s*** his pants. From what he told me, it doesnt really seem all that involved programming stuff on ther smt-6 for the protege. I could never do it, and im sure not many others, othen then Nick could do it, and that justifies a profit for sure.

I was just really shocked when i heard my buddy who gets stuff from Nick say that 800 was way too much.

I mean, i am all for Nick producing these for the proteges. This unit seems good and has been dyno proven as Nick has said many times before and demonstrated.

it just seems as if Nick REALLY wanted to help out the community, he could market it for cheaper AND get more business.

I mean nick probably gets the smt-6 for cheaper than 300 (thats what he's selling to us) and he did the r&D one time and saved the values. Then it is just configuring each mpi tuner to those values and thats it. 400 profit from each one. That is a lot.

If people want to pay that, then it is up to them, but i feel like that is really a lot for a rebadged smt-6.

I really dont mean to cause a big stir, i just think people should know.

-B

 

[azian6er]

also, ghostp5 just got a plain smt-6 unit so we will have to wait and see what happens with that.

-B

 

[igdrasil]

also, ghostp5 just got a plain smt-6 unit so we will have to wait and see what happens with that.

-B

Yeah...I hope it goes well with him, but I dont see him releasing the car in one month.

For those who want to run without issues. My not professional advise is to get the MPI tunner, turbo module and aditional injectors. Leave the stock injectors work the way it works and as soon as boost comes up, activate the aditional injectors.

 

[WillisW555]

the MPI is a cut, splice, solder kind of product right? Is it difficult to make your own P-n-P harness? People were saying that you can pick a connector from the junkyard.

 

[igdrasil]

the MPI is a cut, splice, solder kind of product right? Is it difficult to make your own P-n-P harness? People were saying that you can pick a connector from the junkyard.

yes it is....but is very very easy!

Its not easy to make a connector like that

 

[Little Beavis]

This is a joke!

Yes you can buy the stuff cheaper but you won't get the service either. I sincerely hope Ghost gets his running, but if it was SO simple and easy, why isn't his up and running yet? Why would he call Nick for info if it was the same?

I don't really care how much profit Nick makes (he has a right to earn a living). He has provided me with a TON of stuff at his COST and when I've offered to give him a little "extra" he's declined. I guess that must be because of all the profit he makes on the MPI tuner.

And as said, the price includes the turbo module ($100). Not starting s*** here, but come on. . .why don't we b**** about the price of our cars. . .there's no markup on that now is there?

 

[Bigg Tim]

Settle down Beavis!!!!

So how much is the Haltech from Juan?? Do you think he is not making a profit off of those things? Why don't you find out the cost and talk about that in another thread.

It's all about the needs of a specific vehicle. Do you think it really cost $1500 for an exhaust on a BMW???? Hell no, but if you want it then you have to pay, they mark it up because it's a BMW. Not saying Nick is doing this, but if you want to go the cheap route with NO support then go for it. And while you're at it, get the SMT-6 and load the MPI SW to show how much the "same" they are.

 

[igdrasil]

This is a joke!

Yes you can buy the stuff cheaper but you won't get the service either. I sincerely hope Ghost gets his running, but if it was SO simple and easy, why isn't his up and running yet? Why would he call Nick for info if it was the same?

I don't really care how much profit Nick makes (he has a right to earn a living). He has provided me with a TON of stuff at his COST and when I've offered to give him a little "extra" he's declined. I guess that must be because of all the profit he makes on the MPI tuner.

And as said, the price includes the turbo module ($100). Not starting s*** here, but come on. . .why don't we b**** about the price of our cars. . .there's no markup on that now is there?

True that.
People...think about it...

The cost of a microtech is what??? Then you will have to pay the tunner for the install and program....

I mean: Most expert tunners around here charge $250 everytime it has to touch the program for the car (for example if you change cams, exhaust, pistons, injectors, anything).

This is the way I see it:

Perfect power unit: $350
PP modification; unit required months of R&D to fit the protege(became MPI): $100
Turbo module: $100
Basic tune map, required months of R&D(car will start and run): $250
Full Support: FREE

 

[azian6er]

i agree Nick deserves what ever he is making off the mpi tuner.

i dont think juan is making 400 off every haltech he rolls off though.
then again there isnt too much "protege specific" stuff he needs to do to the haltech. he has maps already and can just send them to whoever buys.

I think the mpi tuner is a great unit, as it has been tested and true for many protege owners.

I just think it is pretty expensive for what it actually is, a rebadged smt-6 .

-B

 

[Bigg Tim]

Either way, it's still a ridiculous profit margin. And he doesn't actually mod them himself, Perfect Power does it for him.

Anyway, my advice: If you want something simple, reliable and a good gain, go with the Unichip.

If you want to make TONS of power and go nuts, and have time to screw around with your car, get the MPI with additional injectors.

The unichip has a generic tune that will never be the optimum for ALL cars. Each car is different, therefore the tune should be different. To spend the money on a unichip, then put on a FMIC and other stuff, and then send the chip back to be tuned for the upgrades is crap. You will be spending way more than the initial cost of the MPI.

Are you still having your issues with the MPI?? If so, then why not take the suggestions of Nick so your car will run better and make more power. If you are still having issues tuning it, we can help. Learning to tune the MPi is not that difficult. Maybe your opinions will be different if your car was tuned to it's optimum which would make it a beast like Deans.

Oh yeah, comenting on a vendors profit margin or other business sense is not appropriate from a "Super Mod".

 

[MPNick]

Sorry, should have read:

It's not like he is *JUST* rebadging it and selling it under his own name.

You are right Rich, Perfect Power builds the systems for me and they also program my software. There is both hardware and software changes to the MPI Tuner vs the SMT6. I was hoping that someone would have jumped on my offer of $335.00 for the SMT unit but so far no one wants one.

It looks like there is one or two people who like to start s***. That is fine, I have seen this kind of people before. It is funny how things work. First some bashed me for not having proof that the MPI Tuner worked. Now that it has been tested both on the track and on the dyno they have to find something new to bash me for.


Thanks again


Later.............Nick

 

[orangezoom]

You are right Rich, Perfect Power builds the systems for me and they also program my software. There is both hardware and software changes to the MPI Tuner vs the SMT6. I was hoping that someone would have jumped on my offer of $335.00 for the SMT unit but so far no one wants one.

It looks like there is one or two people who like to start s***. That is fine, I have seen this kind of people before. It is funny how things work. First some bashed me for not having proof that the MPI Tuner worked. Now that it has been tested both on the track and on the dyno they have to find something new to bash me for.


Thanks again


Later.............Nick

It sure sounds to me that the people who have actually paid you money for the MPI tuner are very satisfied with what you have provided. I think that that is the best review you can have. Keep up the good work nick.

 

[changedman]

If people don't want one, no one is making them get one...

 

[orangezoom]

If people don't want one, no one is making them get one...

Amen to that

 

[acidbug]

For the cost..You really can't go wrong. Nick's unit works. Both with Stock injectors and Extra injectors. He really gives his customers excellent support.

For the record. I am running 11-12 psi than holding at 10psi with stock injectors. And my a/f numbers are in the 11's.

Chas

 

[igdrasil]

For the cost..You really can't go wrong. Nick's unit works. Both with Stock injectors and Extra injectors. He really gives his customers excellent support.

For the record. I am running 11-12 psi than holding at 10psi with stock injectors. And my a/f numbers are in the 11's.

Chas

stock injectors?
no aditional injectors or rising rate fuel pressure regulator?

 

[acidbug]

stock injectors?
no aditional injectors or rising rate fuel pressure regulator?

Stock injectors..No Extra Injectors! No RRFPR been sold for like 3-4months now!
Not even an inline fuel pump. But i will be reinstalling soon.

Chas(nana)

 

[Kooldino]

Yeah...I hope it goes well with him, but I dont see him releasing the car in one month.

For those who want to run without issues. My not professional advise is to get the MPI tunner, turbo module and aditional injectors. Leave the stock injectors work the way it works and as soon as boost comes up, activate the aditional injectors.

Just what I've been saying forever. Well, except I don't use the turbo module.