Couple Basic MPI Questions

[Puckpimp71]

I'm sure these have been hashed over before, but I'm pressed for time and can't sift through thousands of posts...
I'm debating MPI vs. Unichip for my MSP and just want to know what kind of mods I should have in place before I go with either... FMIC, injectors, gauges etc... Would a wideband O2 be necessary in either case??? Anyone running either of these please give me a heads up.
Thanks,
Chris

 

[Black Majik MSP]

I'm interested too. I don't have $$ for one right now, but I would like to know which one I'd go with in the future.

 

[Bigg Tim]

I'm sure these have been hashed over before, but I'm pressed for time and can't sift through thousands of posts...
I'm debating MPI vs. Unichip for my MSP and just want to know what kind of mods I should have in place before I go with either... FMIC, injectors, gauges etc... Would a wideband O2 be necessary in either case??? Anyone running either of these please give me a heads up.
Thanks,
Chris

You can run bone stock if you want to and still get gains from the unit. With the MPI YOU control the tuning and as you put mods on, you can change the tune yourself for free, unlike the Unichip. You can not change the tune so if you want it changed you have to send it off.

You don't need to have anything other than stock to run the unit. The FMIC, WBO2, xtra injectors and all other things are nice to have, but not mandatory for either product. The A/F meter in the SW of the MPI shows a point or so leaner than a WBO2 reads, so it is good enough to use to tune. The FMIC and xtra injectors will allow higher boost levels than the unit on a stock car. No 2 cars are the same so why get something with a generic tune that you can not make specific for your setup? The MPI can be tuned to suit YOUR needs, but if you don't want to do tuning, there are plenty of maps to use.

 

[Saban]

I wonder, are there any bone stock MSP using JUST the MPI tuner?

Good first mod?

I look at it like this.

FMIC = $900
3'' turbo back $900-1400 (Depends on who you buy it from)
MPI Tuner (No extra injectors) = $795

Seems to be the most cost effective upgrade when you look at it like this, in terms of BIG money mods.

 

[acidbug]

By upgrading to the mpi tuner..you will be very happy. Will be able to tune that pesky hesitation..as well as gain some real hp.

The problem w/ the unichip..is everytime you get a mod done..you will need to send it back to them to redo the maps..(which aint free)

Chas

 

[Black Majik MSP]

WOW, I had no idea that MPI was so affordable with none of the extras. If my friend gets an MSP, he'll get this for sure.

Can anyone give me a list of the different tuning units available & the approximate cost? I don't need to know any details...I just want an idea of how they compare with the MPI.

 

[azian6er]

man, nick is making a killing off of that tuner. the unit is 300 new (close to his cost) and he just modifies it a bit for the protege. I need to get into this business.

-B

 

[acidbug]

Basically all other EMS are over $1k.

Not sure on cost of unichip though. But you will have to get it redone every time you get new mods.

Chas

 

[505zoom]

man, nick is making a killing off of that tuner. the unit is 300 new (close to his cost) and he just modifies it a bit for the protege. I need to get into this business.

-B

Careful, Nick does a lot of modifications to the SMT-6 to make the mpi tuner. It's not like he is just rebadging it and selling it under his own name.

 

[acidbug]

Careful, Nick does a lot of modifications to the SMT-6 to make the mpi tuner. It's not like he is just rebadging it and selling it under his own name.

(mswerd)

 

[Saban]

Basically all other EMS are over $1k.

Not sure on cost of unichip though. But you will have to get it redone every time you get new mods.

Chas

I think the unichip runs about 900 bucks.

 

[Kooldino]

Either way, it's still a ridiculous profit margin. And he doesn't actually mod them himself, Perfect Power does it for him.

Anyway, my advice: If you want something simple, reliable and a good gain, go with the Unichip.

If you want to make TONS of power and go nuts, and have time to screw around with your car, get the MPI with additional injectors.

 

[igdrasil]

Careful, Nick does a lot of modifications to the SMT-6 to make the mpi tuner. It's not like he is just rebadging it and selling it under his own name.

Thats how Perfect Power works...they suggest the tunner puts its company name on the product!

 

[Black Majik MSP]

Anyway, my advice: If you want something simple, reliable and a good gain, go with the Unichip.

If you want to make TONS of power and go nuts, and have time to screw around with your car, get the MPI with additional injectors.

So you think MPI is better than all the other more expensive EMS?

 

[505zoom]

Thats how Perfect Power works...they suggest the tunner puts its company name on the product!

Sorry, should have read:

It's not like he is *JUST* rebadging it and selling it under his own name.

 

[Black Majik MSP]

Sorry, should have read:

It's not like he is *JUST* rebadging it and selling it under his own name.

That's what the Edit button is for.

 

[starflare21]

So you think MPI is better than all the other more expensive EMS?

for the money and the features it has on it, it seems like one of those "good bang for the buck" kind of products. the more expensive EMS's are usually more expensive for a reason mainly WAY more features to control and monitor. that and the expensive ones are more then always a stand alone unit.

i plan to get an MPI hopefully in the near future and see how that works out. just have to wait for the money pot for car mods allows it. do your research, get reviews, read the threads and even privately message some users and try to ask them what they think. you never know some might not even want to mention what they think about the product until you ask them privately.

 

[jaman]

Any definitive answers regarding whether our ECU eventually learn "around" the MPI unit (or anyother unit for that matter)? I recall someone saying they keep having to re-set their ECUs to gain the best results.

 

[azian6er]

Careful, Nick does a lot of modifications to the SMT-6 to make the mpi tuner. It's not like he is just rebadging it and selling it under his own name.

i hear otherwise from one of the guys he distributes the smt-6 to. He couldnt believe it when i told him nick was selling it for 800 bucks minus injector contoller or bigger maf. I am just relaying what i have heard.

 

[MPNick]

This is getting nowhere and fast. I am a dealer for all of the Perfect Power products. I sell all of their products. They do build the MPI tuner for me. You cannot buy the MPI Tuner from Perfect Power.

We sell the MPI Tuner and Turbo Modual for $795.00 complete for the system.

Anyone that thinks it is the same thing can buy the SMT-6 unit and see.

Just to prove my point I will do a group buy on the SMT-6 unit if more then 5 people want them. They will be complete SMT-6 units as you would get them from Perfect Power. piggyback, harness, com cable, software, user guides and a tune file to start and run your Protege.

The price on the system from Perfect Power USA is around $365.00. I will ship them to your door with UPS ground for $335.00. No units can be returned and other then the install guide for the Protege you are on your own after that.

Please let me know if we have 5 people who want to risk there engine?


Thanks again


Later.............Nick