Corksport Downpipe

[pHeeL tHiZ ViBe]

http://corksport.com/content/00/01/06/61/73/userimages/MS6%20DP%20800-600%202.jpg

so who has tried this downpipe?! it looks interesting enough lol, and there gains seem extremely good @ 38 whp & 26 lb-ft increase with only a mazdaspeed intake on their test car.

i only see two o2 bungs though, does that mean no wideband?
cuz i know the ATP has the two (primary o2 and secondary o2) as well as a third for wideband. do you need three bungs in the downpipe for that?
that may be a newb question but i've never had a wideband guage before, but plan on getting one for this car to tune with.

the only disadvantage i see is that it doesn't support a v-band connector. am i seeing the whole picture, or am i not thinking about something.

 

[Haltech]

Welp, the corksport downpipes are real nice on the MS3's... generally, you would place your wideband bung down stream from the downpipe. Generally, in the test pipe, replacing the second cat. Downpipes are a good placement for EGT gauges. I would go for the DP, but be warned that the install is a true pain in the ass.

 

[pHeeL tHiZ ViBe]

aah i see, maybe thats where i was confused. the ATP DP replaces the second cat...so thats why it would have three. hmm..lol i probably could have thought of that, or should have lol. thanks

do you have a downpipe on yours?

 

[Haltech]

aah i see, maybe thats where i was confused. the ATP DP replaces the second cat...so thats why it would have three. hmm..lol i probably could have thought of that, or should have lol. thanks

do you have a downpipe on yours?

I originally ordered the downpipe, than pussed out, went with the test pipe since i dont want to screw with the install until i do my ATP upgrade.

CPE's downpipe have an intergrated high flow cat, which.... defeats the purpose of a downpipe to begin with. Maybe thats where you got confused.

 

[LBV]

.so thats why it would have three. [endQUOTE]

I'm not sure you still got it? The stock system only has the 2 O2 sensors, 1 before the pre-cat and 1 after the pre-cat. The ECU measures the voltage difference between the 2 and will use that data to determine if the pre-cats are functioning properly (ie. the exhaust is getting "scrubbed" by the pre-cat).

If you were to gut the pre-cat or install a catless DP, the voltage would be the same and the ECU would register that something's not working and set off a CEL. That's why you need to do that diode trick to fool the ECU into thinking there is a voltage difference and therefore no CEL.

Any mentioning of a wideband O2 sensor for tuning is one that is put in OVER & ABOVE the existing 2 sensors and as was mentioned above is best put in the testpipe (where I have mine). At this point you'd then have 3 O2 sensors (the 2 stock ones for ECU monitoring & the 3rd one for AFR monitoring for tuning).

I think some of the confusion arises because the pre-cat stock O2 sensor is a wideband sensor ... just like the 3rd one used for tuning. The after-cat O2 sensor is a narrow-band sensor that cannot measure AFR accurately.

Hope that helped.

 

[pHeeL tHiZ ViBe]

no i understood it after he told me it taps in at the test pipe. and thats why i said "so thats why it(ATP DP) would have three."

cuz they replace the 2nd cat(test pipe) as well, so they have it pre tapped to hook up. and i wasn't thinking of that when i first posted, i've never installed one or had one so i was assuming the wideband was installed on the downpipe itself.

thanks though

 

[dadasracecar]

Actually CPE offers both the catless and the high flow catted version. Apparently the it's only ~3 or so hp difference. I went with the catted verson b/c of the CEL issue.

 

[freekwonder]

Don't have it, but I plan to purchase it in the future.

 

[pHeeL tHiZ ViBe]

Actually CPE offers both the catless and the high flow catted version. Apparently the it's only ~3 or so hp difference. I went with the catted verson b/c of the CEL issue.

no cpe for me. the only thing i'll buy from them is their standback, because its practically a monopoly (and unfortunately for us they know it). and of course an updated diff mount, which i'm skeptical they are even working on one.

i think the corksport dp, with a test pipe will show better results than any of the competition's DP's IMO. and thats far from fact, just my own thoughts

 

[Igve2shtz]

no cpe for me. the only thing i'll buy from them is their standback, because its practically a monopoly (and unfortunately for us they know it). and of course an updated diff mount, which i'm skeptical they are even working on one.

i think the corksport dp, with a test pipe will show better results than any of the competition's DP's IMO. and thats far from fact, just my own thoughts

It is not a monopoly. They make downpipes. So do 2 other companies. They make exhausts. So do 2 other companies. They make engine mounts. So do 2 other companies. They make the Standback. So does XEDE. What CP-E does different is build quality. They have outstanding customer service. And the price they offer is a bit higher than the competition, but you know what? It is compeltly worth it for that reason. They are also one of the first companies to have new parts for our car. And whereas the other companies all have issues with fit and finish for their newly introduced products, CP-E does expensive testing to ensure that their new parts fit right the first time.

Now, I am a person who values free speech, and you can have whatever opinion you want about CP-E and I will not talk down to you about that. But don't go saying they are a monopoly because they aren't one.

 

[pHeeL tHiZ ViBe]

It is not a monopoly... But don't go saying they are a monopoly because they aren't one.

um ya they are the only ppl building a standback specifically for the mazdaspeeds...and that is a monopoly (crazy)

 

[Afroman]

I would think a monopoly would be a company is the only one building standback units and it is not allowing other companies to make them as well.

As it stands, Its more like only one company is attempting to make one; however, if another company wanted to try market one they can. Just no one has really stepped up and done it.

 

[Chris-BE]

um ya they are the only ppl building a standback specifically for the mazdaspeeds...and that is a monopoly (crazy)

There is more then 1 engine management system for the Speed6.

In fact the other systems are similarly priced if not higher then the CP-E Standback.

 

[freekwonder]

A monopoly would be if they were the only ones making parts and not allowing others. Any company can step up and make parts and CPE has with some quality parts..

I know you are not bad mouthing them yet, but just be careful on how far you take it.

As for me personally, I like CPE's stuff and will be the standback in the future, but I have had plenty of parts from corksport from my MP3 to my MSP and will gladly give them more money.

 

[pHeeL tHiZ ViBe]

i still stand by my statement, it is a monopoly. you guys have backed it up. as far as standbacks specifically for the mazdaspeeds they are the only company. one company. mono...one.. don't take s*** to heart my gosh, and also i didn't say they are forcing other companies to not make them, or anything like that. thats not a requirement for a monopoly. read the definition, and then read my posts. i said nothing wrong, or against cp-e.

and i wasn't mentioning their quality, or their companies reputation or any of that s***, or their prices even. so easy guys, i simply stated that i would be buying their standback. cuz it is the only logical choice, and a great product, and the only standback built FOR THE MAZDASPEEDS. so wow

 

[Igve2shtz]

it is a monopoly. you guys have backed it up.

I would love to hear an explanation for this.

By the way, had a little spare time at work today:

From Mr. Webster's Dictionary: A monopoly is the "exclusive control of a commodity or service in a particular market, or a control that makes possible the manipulation of prices". Now, CP-E is not the only one who makes aftermarket parts for this car. Infact, for every part the CP-E does make, there is atleast one other manufacturer that makes the same part regardless of whether it was made for the Speed6, it still performs the same function (just to a limited extent) without any modifications. Furthermore, if CP-E owned all the steel and aluminum in the world, and then made aftermarket parts, and then limited the sale of such resources in a way that prohibited other companies from making aftermarket parts for the MS6, then that is a monopoly. The fact that some of their prices are higher because they know people will pay it is not a monopoly. Its called Capitalism.

 

[Chris-BE]

i still stand by my statement, it is a monopoly. you guys have backed it up. as far as standbacks specifically for the mazdaspeeds they are the only company. one company. mono...one.. don't take s*** to heart my gosh, and also i didn't say they are forcing other companies to not make them, or anything like that. thats not a requirement for a monopoly. read the definition, and then read my posts. i said nothing wrong, or against cp-e.

and i wasn't mentioning their quality, or their companies reputation or any of that s***, or their prices even. so easy guys, i simply stated that i would be buying their standback. cuz it is the only logical choice, and a great product, and the only standback built FOR THE MAZDASPEEDS. so wow

STANDBACK IS A CP-E TERM FOR THEIR PRODUCT. It is a piggyback system, and there is more then 1 piggyback system available for the Speed6.

Go look up ignorance in the dictionary.

GOSH.

 

[freekwonder]

i still stand by my statement, it is a monopoly. you guys have backed it up. as far as standbacks specifically for the mazdaspeeds they are the only company. one company. mono...one.. don't take s*** to heart my gosh, and also i didn't say they are forcing other companies to not make them, or anything like that. thats not a requirement for a monopoly. read the definition, and then read my posts. i said nothing wrong, or against cp-e.

and i wasn't mentioning their quality, or their companies reputation or any of that s***, or their prices even. so easy guys, i simply stated that i would be buying their standback. cuz it is the only logical choice, and a great product, and the only standback built FOR THE MAZDASPEEDS. so wow

The other two are correct STANDBACK is a term that CPE uses to describe THEIR piggyback system. There is more then one piggyback system available.

monopoly

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) a board game in which a player attempts to gain a monopoly of real estate by advancing around the board and purchasing property, acquiring capital by collecting rent from other players whose pieces land on that property.

They do not have an exclusive product, they don't have exclusive privilege, they do not have exclusive possession. So no they are not a monopoly. They are 1 of 2 companies that have a piggyback system. Standback = CPE term that stands for Piggyback. And I know you have not taken it to far, I just want to make sure nobody takes it to far.

 

[pHeeL tHiZ ViBe]

god you guys are rediculous. yes there is more than one standback for the speed6, BUT not more than one designed specifically for the speed6. so in my mind that is a monopoly. because unless its made SPECIFICALLY for my car, i don't want it. why are you guys always trying to argue, get lives

 

[pHeeL tHiZ ViBe]

They do not have an exclusive product, they don't have exclusive privilege, they do not have exclusive possession. So no they are not a monopoly. They are 1 of 2 companies that have a piggyback system. Standback = CPE term that stands for Piggyback. And I know you have not taken it to far, I just want to make sure nobody takes it to far.

yes they do have an exclusive product, no other company said 'hey lets make a piggyback just for the speed6 with no other vehicle in mind'

thats all i was saying, i told you guys not to take it to heart. ****** a (smash)