Cork Sport 'Power Series' Tuner Comptuer (Mazdaspeed)

[KyRaceFan]

That's not a bad bang for your buck if you think about it. If you want power... you have to pay for it. Throw an intake, exhaust, hard I/C pipes and what's that give you for power? Probably near the same for near the same price. If I had to choose, I'd rather have a tuned stock car than a non-tuned car with a bunch of bolt ons for near the same price and the same power.

You don't like the idea of a chip? Why is that? It's a functional, safe, SMOG legal unit. What is there not to like?

Staying with the AEM what?

So youre saying for 1000 bucks, 25 hp is worth it, on something that isnt readily tunable?
Thats a JOKE. Even at half the cost, thats not alot of bang for your buck.
I'll be the 1st to admit hp isnt cheap, but good lord, spending 1000 on an ECU upgrade had BETTER be to replace the thing with something abit more powerful than a chip, and something that actually controls fuel and timing.
The haltech e6x, which gives you full fuel, timing, idle speed, close loop control, is priced at less than 200 more new.
If youre in the market for something to redo the ECU and the fuel map, then youd be an idiot to spend your 1000 bucks on this "upgrade."

I'll save further judgement until we get actual price info, and capabilities, but it seems a little ridiculous right now.

 

[DSM2MSP]

Thats 40 bucks for each gain of 1hp. With a turbo car that is a ridiculous amount of money to pay for a modification. Baseline price should be set at or around 400 or 500 which is how much MOST chips for MOST turbo cars go for (subura, audi, vw, etc.) But hell I am no business man and dont own my business but im sure if you own the ecu market for msp's then Id charge an arm and leg and Im sure people would pay that price.......

Mike

 

[lamp3]

I dont think the stuff unichip has for the wrx's is over 500 bucks

 

[low_psi]

yea, 25hp for a unit that is NOT readibly tunable and is tuned for CS products... its just not for me. its still good if someone wants a simple jump but the AEM is more cost effective for me and my personal goals.

if one day i decide to build a motor/tranny, the AEM can be used, but the unichip would be worthless for high numbers- it appears.

 

[jflo]

AEM is making an EMS for the MSP ? double u tee eff (tired of 3 letter acronyms) i hope they really get this done. i'm hoping in 5 years (near the end of my college education) this will be available.

 

[SonicRacer]

So youre saying for 1000 bucks, 25 hp is worth it, on something that isnt readily tunable?
Thats a JOKE. Even at half the cost, thats not alot of bang for your buck.
I'll be the 1st to admit hp isnt cheap, but good lord, spending 1000 on an ECU upgrade had BETTER be to replace the thing with something abit more powerful than a chip, and something that actually controls fuel and timing.
The haltech e6x, which gives you full fuel, timing, idle speed, close loop control, is priced at less than 200 more new.
If youre in the market for something to redo the ECU and the fuel map, then youd be an idiot to spend your 1000 bucks on this "upgrade."

I'll save further judgement until we get actual price info, and capabilities, but it seems a little ridiculous right now.

What are you talking about? This does fuel, timing, and added an extra 3psi. What did you think it does?

How is 25hp for under a grand not a good bang for your buck? As I said before, what does intake/exhaust/IC pipes do for you? And what is the price of that stuff?

I don't understand why you think you need to tune this. It's pre set with maps by professionals tuners on a extremely nice dyno. Most people don't have access to a dyno like the one Unichip has. And other maps are going to be made for other upgrades. There is no reason the consumer needs to adjust things on this. It's also a reliability factor. It makes more sense for the maps to be pre set and at optimal settings rather than unexperienced people have the function to play with the vehicles vitals. Espeically when many MSP owners have tried to increase power and blown up the car. (ie increasing boost with no fuel management). It's just safer all around to let the pro's take care of the dirty work. Tuning isn't something a lot of people can do.

Sure, a Haltec would be a better option. Way more adjustment and capability. But how many people can install that on their own? And how many people want to rip out the wire harness of their brand new car? And can you pass SMOG tests with that?, no. And how many people have the ability to use such a system or have access to a dyno? And how does that work with the warranty? There is a reason piggy backs are made in a market where there is fully tunable systems. Fully programable stand alone units are not for the average garage street tuner. There are trad off's for everything. What I have is (well will be) a plug and play unit I don't have to worry about. Buy it, plug it in, done. Boom, I'm ready to go. A haltec takes hours to install, not something an average MSP owner could do, they are universal kits -nothing MSP specific, then you need to figure out how to set some base maps and go tune it on the dyno. Intall and dyno/tuning time also play the part of a Haltec. You are not thinking realistically here.

If I could spend $800- $980 on a plug and play system that can be upgraded/changed or about a grand on something that takes substantial work, a lot of tuning, and a lap top I would personally go with the plug and play system. This is my daily driver, not a race car. I have access to 3 great tuners in town, but I don't want to put that kind of effort into this car I just bought and I drive daily.

 

[jersey_emt]

AEM is making an EMS for the MSP ? double u tee eff (tired of 3 letter acronyms) i hope they really get this done. i'm hoping in 5 years (near the end of my college education) this will be available.

Nick (perfworks) and Andy (wagner) are about to release AEM's PnP EMS for the Proteges. Check in the forced induction section for more info.

It's not cheap (around $1500) but is fully tuneable, and will have some decent maps already programmed.

Did I mention it was plug and play? All you have to do is unplug the stock ECU's wiring harness, and plug the AEM in line (for parallel use) or replace the stock ECU (for complete standalone). It uses all of the stock sensors.

ALL fuel and ALL timing are controlled by the AEM even in parallel mode.

 

[SonicRacer]

Wow, that's crazy that AEM would touch that car. That's cool though.

 

[DZnutz]

AEM isnt... they just gave perfworks the ok to use their ecu, he has to do all the tuning and take responsibility

 

[SonicRacer]

Oh, I see. Guess I'm not up on that project (don't come on here a whole lot)... Sorry.

 

[BinaryRotary]

I think you got my whole comment all ****** up. I'm GLAD Corksport is making an ECU change for the MSP. The only thing I am worried about is having to ship the damn thing back to them when I add another part, to get the tuning right. How am I supposed to adjust maps when I cant even tune it. I have to send it back to them and get it retuned correct? And how much is that going to cost?

There is no way hell I'm letting some guy play with the AEM that doesnt work for AEM, no matter how good he is, and then sell it to me for 1500 bucks.

I'd rather have an ECU tuned, have the car remain stock looking then have to go with another piggyback that could or could-not work.

 

[SonicRacer]

As for the tuning capabilities of the user. That sort of thing is being sorted out. There may be some sort of screen interface.

 

[Stanage]

I think ya'll are missing the point here.... let's look at upsolute for a second. They are gung-ho about Vw's, Audi's, porsches etc... and do they give you the manual tuning capability? NO WAY! As if they'd let regular Joe blow go and change his air/fuel mappings, blow is exactly what would happen.

Now, does Upsolute tell you that you HAVE to send in your ecu after making upgrades to the car? NO WAY! It automatically adjusts for whatever you put on by doing it's own calculations and then your off to the races. I can't believe some of you think that after any additional mods' you'd have the send the ECU back in for tuning... that's lucicrous and no-one in their right mind would pay for that.... 27 out of 30 days in a month your ECU would be in the mail!

Seriously, if you want over 300hp, get a tried and true EMS, otherwise get the CorkSport and work with it!

 

[SonicRacer]

I think ya'll are missing the point here.... let's look at upsolute for a second. They are gung-ho about Vw's, Audi's, porsches etc... and do they give you the manual tuning capability? NO WAY! As if they'd let regular Joe blow go and change his air/fuel mappings, blow is exactly what would happen.

Now, does Upsolute tell you that you HAVE to send in your ecu after making upgrades to the car? NO WAY! It automatically adjusts for whatever you put on by doing it's own calculations and then your off to the races. I can't believe some of you think that after any additional mods' you'd have the send the ECU back in for tuning... that's lucicrous and no-one in their right mind would pay for that.... 27 out of 30 days in a month your ECU would be in the mail!

Seriously, if you want over 300hp, get a tried and true EMS, otherwise get the CorkSport and work with it!

Thank you, glad to see someone look at the overall picture...

 

[Greysave]

Sounds like a good product.

I have a couple of questions though. Are you telling me that it raises your stock boost from 6 or 6.9 whatever you have to 9 psi?

 

[Greysave]

Sounds like a good product.

I have a couple of questions though. Are you telling me that it raises your stock boost from 6 or 6.9 whatever you have to 9 psi?

 

[Greysave]

Sounds like a good product.

I have a couple of questions though. Are you telling me that it raises your stock boost from 6 or 6.9 whatever you have to 9 psi?


Also if this is true what would the psi be for a car with a cat back or turbo back with a fmic?

Do you have any idea of the numbers for the above mods?

Does it fix the dumping too much fuel problem?

Will it work in conjuction with a boost controller or should i just leave the boost where the ecu sets it?

How long before its ready?


Sorry for 2 posts.

 

[BinaryRotary]

I think ya'll are missing the point here.... let's look at upsolute for a second. They are gung-ho about Vw's, Audi's, porsches etc... and do they give you the manual tuning capability? NO WAY! As if they'd let regular Joe blow go and change his air/fuel mappings, blow is exactly what would happen.

Now, does Upsolute tell you that you HAVE to send in your ecu after making upgrades to the car? NO WAY! It automatically adjusts for whatever you put on by doing it's own calculations and then your off to the races. I can't believe some of you think that after any additional mods' you'd have the send the ECU back in for tuning... that's lucicrous and no-one in their right mind would pay for that.... 27 out of 30 days in a month your ECU would be in the mail!

Seriously, if you want over 300hp, get a tried and true EMS, otherwise get the CorkSport and work with it!

Uhhh ... it says it right here.

Developed in conjunction with Pineapple Racing and Unichip. Tune your car without having to take it to the dyno! The first and only piggy-back fuel/timing computer for the Protege! Twitch between two pre set map settings with included switch. Specifically set/tuned to work with Cork Sport 'Power Series' product line (exhaust, intake, etc). Can be reprogrammed at a later time (by specified outlets). Estimated price of $989

See, reprogrammed at a later time (by specified outlets). I usually talk outta my ass, but at least I have a point, they said it themselves.

And the reason most people dont get a full blown stand alone is because -

A. Price
B. Difficulty of Install

A piggy back is great, we just need some ways of opening it up for the people that DO know how to tune on their own but don't want a $2k standalone.

 

[Stanage]

Uhhh ... it says it right here.

Developed in conjunction with Pineapple Racing and Unichip. Tune your car without having to take it to the dyno! The first and only piggy-back fuel/timing computer for the Protege! Twitch between two pre set map settings with included switch. Specifically set/tuned to work with Cork Sport 'Power Series' product line (exhaust, intake, etc). Can be reprogrammed at a later time (by specified outlets). Estimated price of $989

See, reprogrammed at a later time (by specified outlets). I usually talk outta my ass, but at least I have a point, they said it themselves.

And the reason most people dont get a full blown stand alone is because -

A. Price
B. Difficulty of Install

A piggy back is great, we just need some ways of opening it up for the people that DO know how to tune on their own but don't want a $2k standalone.

Thing is, YOU don't get to tune it, Racing and Unichip DO.

How many people do you think will be able to tune their own cars themselves? Don't know about you, but I'm sure it takes TONS of trial and error... and with warranty being an issue, not sure many people want to attempt this knowing you can run WAY lean or way rich. (Hey if you can do it, go nuts and let us know if there is a way of doing air/fuel mappings yourself)

A friend of mine has a 1.8T Jetta, chipped by upsolute (they have an installer in Gatineau Quebec!!) and he has done countless mods after the chip was put in, and he has not had to get the chip re-tuned. AND he only paid $500 for the chip, to have his car at 16PSI, 240HP, 260FT LBS. GiddeUP!

 

[Stanage]

Uhhh ... it says it right here.

Developed in conjunction with Pineapple Racing and Unichip. Tune your car without having to take it to the dyno! The first and only piggy-back fuel/timing computer for the Protege! Twitch between two pre set map settings with included switch. Specifically set/tuned to work with Cork Sport 'Power Series' product line (exhaust, intake, etc). Can be reprogrammed at a later time (by specified outlets). Estimated price of $989

See, reprogrammed at a later time (by specified outlets). I usually talk outta my ass, but at least I have a point, they said it themselves.

And the reason most people dont get a full blown stand alone is because -

A. Price
B. Difficulty of Install

A piggy back is great, we just need some ways of opening it up for the people that DO know how to tune on their own but don't want a $2k standalone.

Reprogrammed at a later date.... hmmmm....., does that specifiy if I add, let's say, a FMIC, after I got the ECU programmed, I'd have to bring the car back to them so they can reprogram the ECU to handle the new airflow of the FMIC??? Would my car run bad because the new ECU needs some tuning? Would the car even run? Let's hope this thing can make up numbers as it goes along.... or else it'd be a tow truck ride to the tuners shop everytime I add a mod....