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[TurfBurn]

Well, we don't know that for sure yet...

No we don't. Have you read my last 3 or so posts?

Well, unless you find even shorter gears for 5th (which I don't reccomend), then you need a better power to weight ratio. Simple as that.

Yes, I can get him a shorter gear for 5th.. but I don't recommend it either... no need to up your rpm's even more on the highway...

I'll have the part numbers by the end of the day to prove to you the gears are the exact same... but considering i've taken apart and driven both MSP's and MP3's... and spent 6 months tracking down gear part numbers I can tell you they ARE the same gears. I'll have my last confirmation soon hopefully.

 

[TurfBurn]

Dana... I do see that running second gear through my calculation doesn't seem to fit what I remember in the car.. but i'll check it today at lunch... to match each other lets get rpm's at 60 mph in 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th... if we can't get in 2nd.. get what you can at 6500 rpm's in second.... sound good? that way we can compare against one another... I'm still running a G15 trans in my car.. and have a newer trans in my garage which I can do revolutions calculations on with it out of the car.

Later,

Steve

 

[Dpwhitehead1]

Yeah.. this other discussion is keeping me too tied up.. and I'm at work and getting some other stuff done...

what I can tell you is that you'll have to redo your motor, and the piping in your turbo kit will be okay probably.. but that's about it... and your clutch won't do the deed.

s***.so basically, everything internal isnt good for what i need? with what is in it now, what do you think it can handle?

 

[TurfBurn]

JE PISTONS - maybe ok, but what compression?
PAUTER RODS - probably not strong enough
ARP HEAD STUD WITH 12 POINT NUT - Not likely to be ok... stock is better we think
ARP MAIN BEARING CAP STUD KIT - good
AWR FRONT & REAR MOTOR MOUNTS - good
STAINLESS STEEL BRAIDED OIL LINES - doesn't matter


TURBO & INTERCOOLER / PIPING:
T3 / T4 HYBRID TURBONETICS TURBO - WAY too small
TURBONETICS EVOLUTION WASTEGATE - what mm??? probably too small
HKS SSQ BLOW OFF VALVE - fine.
CUSTOM STAINLESS STEEL SPEARCO INTERCOOLER & PIPING - Dimensions??? likely too small though
CUSTOM STAINLESS STEEL EXHAUST MANIFOLD - what runner dimensions??


EXHAUST & INTAKE:
CUSTOM STAINLESS STEEL DOWNPIPE - What dimension? minimum 3" for what you need... turbo all the way out..
CUSTOM STAINLESS STEEL SHORT RAM AIR INTAKE - fine.. cold is better though



EXTRAS:
I'LL ALSO GIVE YOU MSP STRUTS WITH TEIN SPRINGS, AND THE MSP RADIATOR AND FANS AND AIR CONDITIONER CONDENSER THAT SITS IN FRONT OF THE RADIATOR, THESE ARE SMALLER THEN THE MP3 AND MAZDA 5 SO MY PIPING WILL FIT IN THESE CARS.
Radiator is too small... and you'll need to ditch the condenser for more airflow.


TRANSMISSION & AXLES:

LSD CAP IS WELDED SEE PICTURE - probably the mod that I did... don't know if it will be strong enough...

RPS CLUTCH-----HOLDS UP TO 400 LBS OF PRESSURE.
Clutch won't be strong enough most likely.

FIDANZA FLYWHEEL - people have had problems with these...

DRIVE SHAFT SHOP AXLES----- THE PROTGE 5 LEVEL 2 HAVE 30% LARGER I've heard mixed things on these... but either way still won't be big enough/strong enough.

Sounds like no head work, no internal cleanup of the block... and I'd need a lot of the other dimensions to answer more on how ok the setup is... what you have now will probably get you to about mid 300 horse and not past that... I didn't see anything listed for fuel really either.

 

[TurfBurn]

s***.so basically, everything internal isnt good for what i need? with what is in it now, what do you think it can handle?

Probably can get to Mid 300's with good engine management and timing control and a good tune and some fuel upgrades.... as is if you only have what is listed... you can get to about 260ish or so... which is quite fast when you have it . Definitely need management though...

 

[Dpwhitehead1]

Probably can get to Mid 300's with good engine management and timing control and a good tune and some fuel upgrades.... as is if you only have what is listed... you can get to about 260ish or so... which is quite fast when you have it . Definitely need management though...

I know i need engine management..i forgot to list that.. I dont want one of those pre programmed ones though..any ideas?

 

[TurfBurn]

s***.so basically, everything internal isnt good for what i need? with what is in it now, what do you think it can handle?

Keep in mind that my motor's machining, pistons, rods, and the turbo I replaced (which is only good to about 450 horse at best) ran me roughly 11,000 just for that... then I have about 1800 grand in engine management on it (JandS and Microtech) and 1500 in instrumentation (wideband, boost control, gauges etc) and a s*** ton in transmission, turbo system, fuel system, and so forth not to mention a lot of tune time... roughly speaking there is a bit over 20,000 in my car and that's just enough to make it to 400 horse... I don't think I'll even crack 500... and I still need to do custom gears if my fixes I'm trying right now don't work... so that is another 3 grand or better... then if I redo suspension and axles I'm probably figuring another 3 or 4 grand.... so all told I'll probably get to about 35,000 in modifiation just to cross the 500 mark if I even get there.

 

[TurfBurn]

I know i need engine management..i forgot to list that.. I dont want one of those pre programmed ones though..any ideas?

yeah.. it's huge.. it's in my sig... it's more bang for your buck than anything else out there... also has full ignition systems and a 45 psi version available... can also be fully decked out to 32x32 resolution and cosiderable output enhancements as well as integrated wideband and so forth... Also is full 4 channel sequential and I personally do the support for it... (You'd probably want a tricked out LT10S which I can quote... I run an LT8 which I can explain in PM and discussion etc as to why I have that and all the reasons and types and so forth...

 

[Dpwhitehead1]

Keep in mind that my motor's machining, pistons, rods, and the turbo I replaced (which is only good to about 450 horse at best) ran me roughly 11,000 just for that... then I have about 1800 grand in engine management on it (JandS and Microtech) and 1500 in instrumentation (wideband, boost control, gauges etc) and a s*** ton in transmission, turbo system, fuel system, and so forth not to mention a lot of tune time... roughly speaking there is a bit over 20,000 in my car and that's just enough to make it to 400 horse... I don't think I'll even crack 500... and I still need to do custom gears if my fixes I'm trying right now don't work... so that is another 3 grand or better... then if I redo suspension and axles I'm probably figuring another 3 or 4 grand.... so all told I'll probably get to about 35,000 in modifiation just to cross the 500 mark if I even get there.

500 is a great mark..i wouldnt mind being there. What kinda 1/4 is that good for? i have some guages already..but im hoping to at least break the 400 barrier...say on something like, 20psi..or so.. with engine management, and like, wideband/bosst control

what do you mean yours is machining "Keep in mind that my motor's machining, pistons, rods, and the turbo I replaced" i told you that i had that stuff done in this motor.

 

[Dpwhitehead1]

yeah.. it's huge.. it's in my sig... it's more bang for your buck than anything else out there... also has full ignition systems and a 45 psi version available... can also be fully decked out to 32x32 resolution and cosiderable output enhancements as well as integrated wideband and so forth... Also is full 4 channel sequential and I personally do the support for it... (You'd probably want a tricked out LT10S which I can quote... I run an LT8 which I can explain in PM and discussion etc as to why I have that and all the reasons and types and so forth...

ok, well with what you have, the best..45psi version, and all the good s***, including a laptop(if you can) what kinda price, pm me whatever..With my motor, i have a built Short block i believe, is this correct? and with the other s***, i was thinking like bigger throttle body,custom sheet metal intake manifold,..but that is where i lose all my knowledge about motors..(which isnt much)

 

[Kooldino]

but considering i've taken apart and driven both MSP's and MP3's...

I've torn them both apart too. I didn't have them side by side to compare though. There were several differences between the two, but I couldn't tell anything about the gear ratios since I wasn't doing them at the same time.

 

[Kooldino]

Dana... I do see that running second gear through my calculation doesn't seem to fit what I remember in the car.. but i'll check it today at lunch... to match each other lets get rpm's at 60 mph in 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th... if we can't get in 2nd.. get what you can at 6500 rpm's in second.... sound good? that way we can compare against one another... I'm still running a G15 trans in my car.. and have a newer trans in my garage which I can do revolutions calculations on with it out of the car.

Later,

Steve

Ok, sounds good.

 

[TurfBurn]

"Keep in mind that my motor's machining, pistons, rods, and the turbo I replaced" i told you that i had that stuff done in this motor.

You had an align hone, polished mains, polished oil returns, magnaflux check, polished crank, re-deck and check of block, full radius exhaust valve seats, 3 angle intake valve setas, polished and angled valves, Ferrea Exhaust valves for heat reasons, ported and polished exhaust manifold, ported and polished intake manifold, and 1 thousandths tolerancing on tappet clearance, and swirl polishing of ports and valves??? Also I had my bearings fitted to within 2 ten-thousandths of my target clearance, exact re-clearancing of pistons for high boost, modified ring gap, and gas-nitride rings.

 

[TurfBurn]

I've torn them both apart too. I didn't have them side by side to compare though. There were several differences between the two, but I couldn't tell anything about the gear ratios since I wasn't doing them at the same time.

yep shaft lenghths are different, one fork is visibly changed, minor syncrho changes in a couple of spots... and all the gears swap back and forth happily...

 

[TurfBurn]

ok, well with what you have, the best..45psi version, and all the good s***, including a laptop(if you can) what kinda price, pm me whatever..With my motor, i have a built Short block i believe, is this correct? and with the other s***, i was thinking like bigger throttle body,custom sheet metal intake manifold,..but that is where i lose all my knowledge about motors..(which isnt much)

I'll pm you with a full breakdown of everything...

A short block means a block and pistons and crank... a long block means block and pistons and crank and head and cams... that's all that it means... nobody strokes these motors.. they are already long stroked as is...

 

[Dpwhitehead1]

You had an align hone, polished mains, polished oil returns, magnaflux check, polished crank, re-deck and check of block, full radius exhaust valve seats, 3 angle intake valve setas, polished and angled valves, Ferrea Exhaust valves for heat reasons, ported and polished exhaust manifold, ported and polished intake manifold, and 1 thousandths tolerancing on tappet clearance??? Also I had my bearings fitted to within 2 ten-thousandths of my target clearance, exact re-clearancing of pistons for high boost, modified ring gap, and gas-nitride rings.

no.i had none of that..what does that s*** run you?(cost) and who did it for you?

 

[TurfBurn]

no.i had none of that..what does that s*** run you?(cost) and who did it for you?

My machining was over 3 grand alone... and I did it with a local guy so I could overse every single step of the process.... that was my point was that other than the pistons and rods, a friction disc, and the turbo (which was only 600 bucks) that my bill was over 10 grand... that it cost over 10 grand do do that little because of how much machining and hardware and the like ends up costing.

 

[Dpwhitehead1]

My machining was over 3 grand alone... and I did it with a local guy so I could overse every single step of the process.... that was my point was that other than the pistons and rods, a friction disc, and the turbo (which was only 600 bucks) that my bill was over 10 grand... that it cost over 10 grand do do that little because of how much machining and hardware and the like ends up costing.

and with all you have spent, what are you running in the quarter?and i dont kno if this makes a difference, but i have an 03 LX, not the mp3, or speed protege.

 

[TurfBurn]

and with all you have spent, what are you running in the quarter?and i dont kno if this makes a difference, but i have an 03 LX, not the mp3, or speed protege.

I'm assuming you have a 2.0L in it... so as long as you have that then nothing else matters..

I"m not running 1/4's at all.. it's a track car.. but I am thinking about quartering it next week for s**** and giggles even though my tires are really crappy... (MSP stock REO40's. ). Probably runs high 12's low 13's.. No idea really... Don't really care because it isn't a drag car.... get me on a track and then it's a whole nother story... i walk all over STI's... and keep just fine with EVO's... I'm as fast down a straightaway as a 2001 ZO6...

 

[Dpwhitehead1]

I'm assuming you have a 2.0L in it... so as long as you have that then nothing else matters..

I"m not running 1/4's at all.. it's a track car.. but I am thinking about quartering it next week for s**** and giggles even though my tires are really crappy... (MSP stock REO40's. ). Probably runs high 12's low 13's.. No idea really... Don't really care because it isn't a drag car.... get me on a track and then it's a whole nother story... i walk all over STI's... and keep just fine with EVO's... I'm as fast down a straightaway as a 2001 ZO6...

thats what im talking about. i wanna be a part quarter guy..cuz i enjoy the track people..running their mouth..its people that b**** that i like to make look like bitches. if you are running that low, congrats..thats awesome. and track cars are awesome.. like mspmichele she does that s***..and i talk to her about it all the time.