Celica GTS

[daKiNeP5]

I'm pretty sure I've read about them being out on the corolla boards but I haven't seen one personally on the road yet.

 

[Mr. 4500 RPM]

i beleive the matrix xrs has the celica gts engine but it only comes in an auto which sucks...i looked into one i think like two years ago and they arent bad...but not the best looking cars ever

 

[Jhova1012]

Making power is fine above 6,000 rpm....but it fuel cuts at like 7400-7600...**** that. The fuel cut scared the hell out of me every time because it came so soon, like right in the middle of the pull.

A "Honda" is a little different. A B16 will go to high lift at 5900 and fuel cuts at 8300. That's a ton of revs to work with. When rowing through the gears you're always in the cam you need.

The fuel cut was lowered on the 2002s after many people blew up the 2000-2001s because the shift gates were so close. The 2000-2001s and 2003 GTS has a fuel cut of 8600rpms. You can trick the 2002s to rev them up to 8600 but you need an ecu from a model year with the 8600cut and a knock sensor. A few other goodies too.

 

[daKiNeP5]

i beleive the matrix xrs has the celica gts engine but it only comes in an auto which sucks...i looked into one i think like two years ago and they arent bad...but not the best looking cars ever

I know for a fact that the XRS comes in manual.

 

[daKiNeP5]

The fuel cut was lowered on the 2002s after many people blew up the 2000-2001s because the shift gates were so close. The 2000-2001s and 2003 GTS has a fuel cut of 8600rpms. You can trick the 2002s to rev them up to 8600 but you need an ecu from a model year with the 8600cut and a knock sensor. A few other goodies too.

I've heard a handful of stories where Celicas race on the freeway and down from 5th or 6th to 2nd. I've also seen a celica that just did that on the side of the road where I was pulled over waiting for a tow truck.

 

[Jhova1012]

Yup... from what i've heard the gates on the 2000-2001s were very close. When they restored the fuel cut to 8600 in 03 they apparently reworked the gates and gearing so you dont have to shift like a mad man to keep the car in lift. So i've heard that the 03s are easy to drive fast compared to the 2000 models. Now if they are as fast or not I dont know. Mid to low 14s with an intake on the 2000s... not bad imo. I say go for it if you can deal with the smaller car. Be aware that the aftermarket is somewhat limited. They have turbos but the compression ratio on the GTS is like 11 to something. Blitz makes a SC too...

 

[daKiNeP5]

Yeah the blitz SC is very nice. Pricey tho and you gotta take off the intake manifold which I heard is a PITA. Theres also a turbo kit for the GT

 

[jared]

GTS have 2 problems, crappy gearing and a crappy ecu.

the latter of the 2 is the fixable part, mainly you need to get the little deal to make the 2nd cam come-on earlier in the RPM's, then the "low down power" problem is solved.

 

[NJP5Guy]

The XRS models of current have a retuned ecu. granted they have less power(170 compared to the previous 180) but the torque curve has been improved. if you check, the torque comes on at lower rpms and supposedly stays flatter longer. their suspension setup sucks compared to the p5. hell they have a semi-independant axle in back...ie...its just a solid axle.

 

[pedrump]

Nah theres the new Corolla XRS with the celica gts motor inside but I think it has 10 less hp or something. Those would definitely eat
up Protege's in a straight race.

Regular corollas with the 140hp are faster than P5s in a straight race. (my friend and i have tested this over and over) AND they get ridiculously awesome gas mileage. Wish they weren't as expensive and butt ugly...

 

[adc0642]

I've heard tell the GTS motor isn't very well designed, besides the gates being too close and the ecu being poor.
I've heard the Celica GTS community is pretty p.o.'ed at Toyota, they've had a lot of engine failures, something about poor oil control as I recall.
The Matrix xrs is actually respectably fast, in the 15's I believe. Ugly though. My sister has a base Matrix with the same mileage as our p5, and the ride and drive of the p5 is head and shoulders better. Both get the same mileage though. I've always been suprised at the awesome mileage Corrolas get; same 1.8 base engine as the matrix, correct?

 

[rustychops41]

I'm quite sad that Toyota is stopping the production of the Celica and MR2 after 2005. Now what is going to be their sports car? The Corolla and Matrix XRS?

I was following a new Scion TC, the two-door coupe thingie, on the freeway, and I swear the rear suspension arms and pieces look exactly like Celica parts. I wonder if this is Toyota's reasoning for dumping the Celica, if in fact the new Scion shares the mechanicals from the Celica? Just a thought

 

[NJP5Guy]

i've driven the matrix and it doesnt even come close to the p5. its like driving an awkward smaller minivan. the corolla is quicker than the p5 because it weighs over 200 pounds less. and for cars of this size thats a lot of weight.

yeah ive heard that the gts motor has had oil problems. from what lotus said they have solved that problem. also the lotus has a better tuned ecu. we shall see how the lotus motor does in the long run. man i'd love to have one of those.

 

[Mr. 4500 RPM]

well from what i read at autoweek mag i think it was unsure...the reason why toyota is discontinuing the manufacturing of the celica an mr2 is because they have been making more then they can sell, so in esence they arent make much profit on them. also toyota started the scion line and i guess it was expensive for them so instead of going down hill they are dropping the two and trying to sell more scions i think. an i think.guess the scion tc and celica share some parts...when i read they were discontinuing them i was sad for a moment...then i laughed because i realized that my ex g/f had bought one because "it looks good and cool" and the fact that they are discontinuing it well....it made me laugh because that sucks for her...

 

[GordonJ]

Celica's are a dime-a-dozen around here. I usually see at least one on the road no matter where I go.
They also seem to be like VW Jettas and Beetles: mostly chick cars. I swear easily 95% of the people I see driving Celicas, Beetles, and Jettas are young girls in highscool. P5's are so rare..maybe one every 3-4 days on the road.

As far as the Scion goes, I'm sorry, but doesn't anyone else think they are the most hideous vehicles to come out in the USDM for like the past 10 years? There is a difference bewteen bland, boring, unattractive, even ugly...and then just downright atrocious like the Scion. The sedan and "hatchback" ain't TOO bad, but that god-awful retarted deformed "minivan looking....thing" (I think its the Xb) has to be one of THE UGLIEST cars I have seen in my entire life, no exgerration. It's supposedly marketed to the younger, college/teen market, and I have yet to meet anyone my age (I'm 19) who finds that vehicle appealing in the least. Ugly, ugly, ugly... car/thing.

 

[ChiMSP]

I was considering getting one for a long time, and even test drove 2 or three of them. Overall it a nice ride and the interiors a sexy. But then... i came across my speed, and it was love at first sight. No regrets at all.

 

[fvellani]

I'm quite sad that Toyota is stopping the production of the Celica and MR2 after 2005. Now what is going to be their sports car? The Corolla and Matrix XRS?

I was following a new Scion TC, the two-door coupe thingie, on the freeway, and I swear the rear suspension arms and pieces look exactly like Celica parts. I wonder if this is Toyota's reasoning for dumping the Celica, if in fact the new Scion shares the mechanicals from the Celica? Just a thought

From what I understand, the Celica is being dropped because it is made redundant by the Scion tC. Stupid move, in my opinion.

 

[NJP5Guy]

From what I understand, the Celica is being dropped because it is made redundant by the Scion tC. Stupid move, in my opinion.

i think its a good move. the celica has become less of a sports car over the years. its all show and no go. not to mention expensive as hell. for the price of a gts you could buy a wrx, rsx-s,cooper-s w/ JCW SC, and a few others all of which are so much quicker and not a girlie car.

i think the tc is a nice looking car. way better value than the gts. just slap on the S/C from TRD.

 

[jonlong]

you'd have to get a used wrx, rsx-s, cooper-s w/ jcw sc in order to get it for the same price as a gts. The gts is like 22k or 23k, i think.

 

[Shane5425]

well from what i read at autoweek mag i think it was unsure...the reason why toyota is discontinuing the manufacturing of the celica an mr2 is because they have been making more then they can sell, so in esence they arent make much profit on them. also toyota started the scion line and i guess it was expensive for them so instead of going down hill they are dropping the two and trying to sell more scions i think. an i think.guess the scion tc and celica share some parts...when i read they were discontinuing them i was sad for a moment...then i laughed because i realized that my ex g/f had bought one because "it looks good and cool" and the fact that they are discontinuing it well....it made me laugh because that sucks for her...

from what i have heard from my dads friend at gulf states toyota, they want to put more into the scion line, and the new sports car for the toyota name will be a sportier Solora(the supra is not comming back, the sportier solora will take its place) all this info is legit from a high rep in charge of the gulf state region