Cash for Clunkers

I just read that the gov't computers crashed on Monday when everyone was trying to send in their forms.

I heard this too...and I don't understand. Are they running commodore 64s over there? It's just processing forms. Geez.

And the buyer's remorse thing is something I was worried about from the beginning. Right now unemployment is up, people who are employed are taking pay cuts and mandatory work reductions, thousands are upside-down on their mortgages, and the economy isn't "recovering." So let's go buy a new car? It seems like the absolute WORST time to buy a car. Plus, almost no one got a true "deal" because dealers were refusing to go below MSRP because of the huge govt discount. So there are plenty of big payments floating around.

Plus, this isn't what the government is for anyway, but whatever.
 
if the plan was to help out car dealers/manufactors and get "clunkers" off the raod, then i'd say it worked. my gas hog explorer with 180k is gone and i have a new tribute and got a total of 8.5k off the sticker...i never would have bought a new car if it wasn't for the plan. probably would have gone the used route again, something with 20k on it for the around the same money! so the plan worked out for me..
 
Were you making payments on the explorer?

Which is greater:
1. Your new monthly car payment + gas + full coverage insurance on a new vehicle
or
2. No car payment + gas + insurance on your old vehicle
 
Valid point Rogue but I think Mark and a lot of others who capatilized on the plan had older high mileage vechicles that while paid for were getting to the point of 'do I fix it if it breaks or trade it in for jack?'. Without the plan how much would Mark have gotten for his Exploer with 180k?

Don't get me wrong I know there are a lot out there too that didn't need to buy but did for the hell of it and most likely didn't look at the big picture. All they kept hearing was '$4500 for your trade' and thought 'wow I can get a new car that gets better mileage'. I wonder how many people actually figured out how many years it would take them to break even.
 
Not everyone is hurting. My boyfriends father owns his own cabinetry and countertop company and business has taken off in the last couple months. Getting 75k+ on three kitchens in one day. His mother remodels closets and she made 80k+ on one closet. They have bought and sold lots of cars in the past year, they are looking to buy a new Camero (they have a Vette to go with it.)

Likewise his grandfather goes out and trades in his cars every two years and gets two brand new cars.

Everyone is not hurting, but most are. There are still people out there that are better off then others and they might be the ones who are out buying... you can't bundle all of America in one bin.
 
And the buyer's remorse thing is something I was worried about from the beginning. Right now unemployment is up, people who are employed are taking pay cuts and mandatory work reductions, thousands are upside-down on their mortgages, and the economy isn't "recovering." So let's go buy a new car? It seems like the absolute WORST time to buy a car. Plus, almost no one got a true "deal" because dealers were refusing to go below MSRP because of the huge govt discount. So there are plenty of big payments floating around.

So now that they've given the auto industry this big "boost" (about one month's worth of new car sales in C4C, and how many were going to buy anyway?), sales will be in the shitter for the next 6-8 months because of all the sales they pulled forward, and all of these people who suddenly have a payment that they didn't have before might be screwing up their credit. Now, on top of that, what happens to used car prices now? We've just gotten close to a million of the cheapest used cars available off the road, decreasing supply and potentially pushing up the average used car transaction since people won't be able to find as many ~$2000 cars. This is going to prolong the pain for the auto industry and, I think, credit and lending for a couple years.
 
Short supply left by Cash for Clunkers will cause price surge

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While cash-for-clunkers gave great rebates to those who qualified, consumers are going to be feeling the economic pinch in the months to come. The program has depleted inventories, and during a time when car shopping is usually at its peak, the short supply will cause a price surge, many analysts believe.

While the program was certainly successful in driving traffic to dealerships, it came along a bit late to be maximally effective. Jeremy Anwyl, CEO of Edmunds.com, told CNN that the program would have seen much more benefit had it been launched in February, when inventories were high and sales were through the floor.

Anwyl said that auto sales will drop off 50 percent in the coming weeks. He said that prices will remain high for the next few months, but will then start to fall as inventory catches up with demand.
 
White House says Cash for Clunkers will stimulate economy, 42,000 jobs expected in 2n

Cash-for-clunkers has triggered what the White House says could be the biggest two-month spike in auto sales on record. A preliminary analysis submitted to Congress puts GDP estimates at 0.3 to 0.4 percentage points higher at annual rate when compared to what it would have been without the program, reports Automotive News.

This increase will be sustained in the fourth quarter because of increased auto production to replace dealer inventory, the White House said.

The need for dealers to replace inventory will stimulate the long-term economy, as 42,000 jobs are expected to be generated during the second half of 2009. Both GMand FoMoCo have announced plans for increased production during the second half of the year to replenish inventory depleted by clunkers.

The White House also predicts long term environmental benefits, as there will be more cars on the road with better emissions output ratings. The average fuel-economy of a new vehicle purchased was 24.9 mpg - a 58 percent improvement.
 
WTF? Yeah, i guess we might get a few people back to work until inventories come back up. Let's just hope they don't go overproducing and screwing themselves and dealerships like they did before. I'd guess keeping production right where it is will be fine, since nobody's going to be buying cars for months now.

Edit: 6 posts in a row FTL!
 
i'll stand by my original post. this was just as bad of an idea as employee pricing...but this time, we're all paying for it.

i really dislike this administration...and that's putting it lightly.
 
Were you making payments on the explorer?

Which is greater:
1. Your new monthly car payment + gas + full coverage insurance on a new vehicle
or
2. No car payment + gas + insurance on your old vehicle

i owned the explorer..paid for it a long time ago
i bought the car with my equity loan, 2% and i'll get the balance paid off in 2 yrs or a little less
 
U.S. auto sales boom; Hyundai, Ford gain ground

DETROIT/PARIS (Reuters) U.S. auto sales boomed in August as $3 billion in government incentives drove sharp gains for Hyundai Motor Co and Ford Motor Co but failed to provide a boost for General Motors Co in its first full month outside bankruptcy.

Ford reported a 17 percent jump in monthly sales on Tuesday and the success of the U.S. government's "cash for clunkers" trade-in incentives pushed overall industry sales to the first year-on-year increase in 21 months.
Korea's Hyundai posted a 47 percent increase as sales of its Elantra sedan more than doubled.

The U.S. government incentive program also helped Honda post a 10 percent sales gain while Toyota Motor Corp sales were up 6 percent.

The two U.S. automakers to have emerged from government-sponsored bankruptcies -- GM and Chrysler -- lost market share during the August sales bonanza.

GM sales dropped 20 percent, while Chrysler was off 15 percent. Nissan Motor Co sales fell almost 3 percent from record levels of a year earlier.
Meanwhile, auto sales rose in France and Italy and stabilized in Spain on the success of similar government-backed sales incentives, data released on Tuesday showed.

The now-exhausted U.S. "clunkers" program, which was inspired by the programs in France and other European markets, drove a rush into dealerships in July and August.

More than 690,000 vehicles were scrapped in the United States for taxpayer-funded credits of up to $4,500 as consumers took advantage to drop gas-guzzling trucks and SUVs.

On an annualized basis, industry-wide U.S. sales topped 14 million units, according to Autodata.

That was up from 13.6 million a year earlier but still far below the 16 million range that had been seen as the bottom for the market until 2007.

WINNERS AND LOSERS
The winners in the U.S. incentive program were Asian automakers and Ford, which benefited from a stronger lineup of smaller cars and crossover vehicles, analysts said.

The result has been a more evenly matched battle for sales among the major automakers in the U.S. market that threatens to upset long-held market share rankings.

Hyundai and its affiliate Kia Motors Corp now command a combined 7.5 percent market share, making them larger on that basis than Nissan Motor Co.
GM, meanwhile, saw its share of sales of its core brands -- Chevrolet, Cadillac, Buick and GMC -- drop to 16.3 percent of the U.S. market in August. That lagged Toyota's U.S. market share of 17.8 percent for the month.
"I think perception hurt GM," said Jessica Caldwell, director of industry analysis at Edmunds.com. "People didn't really see GM as a place to turn to when they needed to buy a fuel-efficient vehicle."

GM sales chief Mark LaNeve said the U.S. incentive program had clearly benefited Asian automakers more than GM.

"If it would have been a cash for capable trucks (program), we would have killed them, but it wasn't," LaNeve told reporters and analysts. "It was designed for smaller cars and smaller crossovers and although we're gaining ground quick, they still have more volume in that area."

Chrysler, now under control of Italy's Fiat, said it had lost potential sales when dealers ran short on some models after it shut down all of its production during a bankruptcy process that ended in June.

Chrysler responded with a continued program of discounts of up to $4,500 in rebates on select models this month.

Meanwhile, Ford, the only U.S. automaker to avoid a federally sponsored bankruptcy, posted its second consecutive monthly sales gain and said signs of a recovery in pickup truck demand pointed toward a broader recovery in the economy.

GAUGING THE PAYBACK
Ford reported the first increase in sales of its market-leading F-Series pickup trucks in almost three years.

Trucks like Ford F-150 are widely used in the U.S. construction industry. Pickup sales have dropped sharply in recent years on a combination of high gas prices, tight credit and the slowdown in home building.

Although major automakers said they expected September U.S. sales to tumble in the wake of the "clunkers" boom, executives also said they were banking on improved demand in the fourth quarter and a rebound of 10 percent or more in 2010.

"We see some drop-off in September, but we are starting to see concrete signs of automotive recovery moving into the fourth quarter," said Bob Carter, Toyota's manager of its main brand in the United States.

BMW said it also expects U.S. sales to increase over the remainder of the year even without any further support from the Obama administration.
"I think they've done the experiment. It's worked. But I don't think it will be repeated," BMW North America President Jim O'Donnell told Reuters.
He added: "I think car sales will continue to steadily rise as we move out of the worst of the recession.

Elsewhere, auto sales in Canada fell for a 10th consecutive month.
But France saw a 7 percent gain in August car sales and the French government said it would continue to fund its equivalent of the "clunkers" program to encourage consumers to swap out of old cars into 2011.

Car registrations in Italy were up almost 9 percent in August.
Spanish car sales stabilized in August after 16 months of declines. Car sales for Germany, Europe's biggest market, are due on Wednesday.
 
Ford reported a 17 percent jump in monthly sales...
Korea's Hyundai posted a 47 percent increase
Honda post a 10 percent sales gain
Toyota Motor Corp sales were up 6 percent.

The two U.S. automakers to have emerged from government-sponsored bankruptcies -- GM and Chrysler -- lost market share.

GM sales dropped 20 percent
Chrysler was off 15 percent.

I'd say that's pretty damn telling.
 
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