Car Polishing/Waxing...

p5power said:
1.) To do a complete run-down of the car, what are the steps you would need to take? I have waxed my car in the past...about a month or two ago.

The steps needed for a "full detail" on the exterior would be in this order:

Wash
Clay (To remove embedded contaminants in the paint like metal brake dust particles and other airborne pollutants that have settled on your paint)
Polish (if you have swirls in the paint that you're looking to get rid of)
Paint cleaner (to bring back the true color of the paint)
Sealant or wax. Or both, sealant first.


2.) Your suggestions for specifc products would be cool (looking for stuff you can pick up at the auto parts store...plan on doing this this weekend).

I don't have many store bought products, but I can recommend a few products that I have used, that are available locally.

Mothers California Gold Clay Bar Kit. It's pricey, at $15 per kit, but you'll love how your paint feels after using it. It will also prevent tiny specks of rust from appearing all over your car. You may already have some of these specks, particularly behind your front wheels. Go ahead and check...get up real close and look (after washing the car of course).

Since I don't know whether you have any swirls to remove, I don't know whether you're looking for a polish to remove them. But if you are, I'd recommend...well...honestly I can't think of any products in the store that will actually remove swirls. See, many of the products in the local stores (whether it be waxes or polishes) will claim to remove swirls, when all they do is hide them with temporary fillers. The swirls will reappear after a few weeks. The general public wants a product to do everything in one quick step, so the manufacturers try to combine the benefits of every step into one product. Every step is then compromised though.

Speaking of one-step products, if all you want is to bring back the gloss of the paint and protect it, you can just go out and buy a cleaner wax. Meguiars Gold Class and NXT Tech Wax are both cleaner waxes (no they don't actually say cleaner wax, but they are) and are both decent products. I prefer NXT over GC, but it costs more so it's your call. They will both clean the paint (remove the oxidation that is causing your cloudiness/fading) and lay a coat of wax over the paint to protect it in the future. Be aware that GC only lasts for maybe a month, and NXT for ~8 weeks under optimal conditions. NXT is more of a sealant, since it contains polymer protectants rather than natural carnauba wax like most products.


3.) What kinda of steps should I take to try and clear up that clouding/fading on the bumpers...it's starting to bother me.

As I said above, the paint cleaner removes the clouding caused by oxidation from the sun's UV radiation. A cleaner wax would also do the trick. Doing two steps, a paint cleaner and then a wax, would be the best way to do it. If you have a "1-step" product, it's often a compromise between the two steps. The cleaners aren't that strong, and the wax isn't very durable. Your best bet is to get a dedicated paint cleaner, and a dedicated protectant, whether it be a polymer sealant or a traditional carnauba-based wax. The cleaner wax will work, but not as well as two dedicated steps. You could do multiple applications of the cleaner wax to clean the paint better, or better yet use a *quality* orbital buffer to apply it with. The results from using an orbital buffer/polisher will be far superior to cleaning the paint by hand.

Just wondering if I could take advantage of having some of the resident detailers to comment.

I'm sure this would really help the rest of the care care noobs out there like me.

Well I think I covered everything. If you've actually taken the time to read my whole post and have more questions, I'm here for ya...fire away! :)

Thanks!

Questions answered in bold above... ^
 
Liquid Glass all the way!

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Liquid Glass is actually an abrasive cleaner wax, similar to NuFinish. It brings back a nice gloss to the paint because of the abrasives and cleaners that remove oxidation from the paint. The durability of either of those products isn't anything spectacular (but similar to most OTC products).
 
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meguires nxt at a diffrent show...... damn i need to send them a sponsorship package with how much i rep their name......
 
altspace said:

Direct from your link...

"Apply Liquid Glass sparingly, but evenly, using a coarse cotton cloth"

They tell you to use a coarse cotton cloth, because the cotton fibers will increase the cutting (polishing) ability of the product. Just because it's a "liquid polymer" doesn't mean it's nonabrasive or doesn't contain cleaners. All that means is that:

1. It's a liquid
2. It contains polymer protectants

NXT Tech Wax is also a liquid polymer, but it contains cleaners as well.

"(If any paint color appears on the cloth, it is oxidized paint that must be removed to reveal the good paint layer beneath.)"

If it didn't contain cleaners/abrasives, it wouldn't have the ability to remove oxidation.

I can't say for sure that it contains abrasives, but I can say for sure that it has cleaners. I was just assuming that the company knew what the word "polish" means, but I often overestimate the capability of car care product manufacturers.
A polish by definition is a product that is ABRASIVE, which is used to remove scratches and/or oxidation from the paint by means of removing a thin layer of paint.
 
Mr Detailer said:
Questions answered in bold above... ^

cool!! thanks for the awesome reply. what kind of products do you use? anything i could save my pennies up for? i know this might sound weird, but i'm a bit anal about the way my car looks and would love to spend a few hours making her look fine and sexy!
 
Awesome, thx for the informative explanation. I always wanted someones true opinion, but it seems that very few use the product. So as a final "sealant", what would you recomend for off the shelf purchase?
 
I use lots of products, mostly available online. Here's a few of my most commonly used products:

Poorboy's World products:
http://www.prestostore.com/cgi-bin/store.pl?ref=exceldetail&ct=44434
Quick detail spray - Spray and Gloss
Wax - Nattys Paste Wax
Polishes - SSR2/SSR2.5/SSR3


ClearKote: http://www.prestostore.com/cgi-bin/store.pl?ref=exceldetail&ct=40315
Light polishes - Vanilla Moose, Red Machine Glaze

Wolfgang:
http://www.autogeek.net/wococarca.html

Tire dressing - Wolfgang Black Diamond Tire Gel
Paint sealant - Wolfgang Deep Gloss Sealant

FourStar: http://www.exceldetail.com
Paint Sealant - Ultimate Paint Protection

Foam pads for my PC are all the Propel pads from http://www.exceldetail.com, and most of my high quality microfiber products are from there as well. Be advised that I got hooked on this detailing stuff a couple years ago, and now I have over $2000 in supplies! Luckily for me, I've made more than that much by doing other peoples' cars. :)


If you were paying me to do your P5, I can tell you already that I would use Klasse All-In-One via the PC 7424 orbital polisher with a green (light-cut) pad, and then seal it with Wolfgang Deep Gloss Paint Sealant, and then top it with Nattys Paste Wax. I highly recommend all those products, and if you are willing to spend some money to get your car looking awesome, those would be high on my list. They are all superb products in their respective categories.

There are several reasons I don't buy many products from the store:

1. Polishes. The polishes that are sold locally are almost always loaded with fillers, without being labeled as such. If a customer tells me that they want me to remove the swirls, I want to REMOVE them, not just hide them. Also, the Poorboy's polishes are safe to use in direct sunlight (a huge mistake with most products) and produce very little dust. (I don't like breathing in a bunch of polishing dust all the time. Some older polishes produce carcinogenic dust).

2. Sealants and waxes. The products available locally tend to be rather difficult to use, and are mostly cleaner waxes. Some products like NXT Tech Wax are not too difficult to use (much easier than most OTC products), but the difference is clear when you use something like Nattys Paste Wax or the Wolfgang sealant. They wipe on and off like warm butter. There's a reason I don't mind waxing my car every 2-3 weeks, and why I can do it in 30-40 minutes.
And about the cleaners...I prefer to use pure waxes (no cleaners) because I like to layer wax on my car. If a product has any cleaners, you can't layer it. One layer will remove the previous layer. It will only result in a more even coat, not two layers.

3. Microfiber products. I only buy microfiber from reputable vendors, because I can be assured that they will not scratch any paint. I can vouch for the blue Excel towels now, after doing this '87 black Jaguar XJ-S a couple weeks ago (Done with Poorboy's SSR2 via PC 7424, P21S Gloss Enhancing Polish, and FourStar Ultimate Paint Protection - sealant).
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It's too bad you don't live closer to me. I'd be happy to help you detail your car, and you wouldn't have to spend hundreds of dollars to get all the stuff that I'd be using on it. You don't live in Upper Michigan by any chance do you?
 
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altspace said:
Awesome, thx for the informative explanation. I always wanted someones true opinion, but it seems that very few use the product. So as a final "sealant", what would you recomend for off the shelf purchase?

Meg's NXT Tech Wax. It's more of a sealant than a wax, since it contains polymers rather than natural carnauba wax.
 
I have Meg's NXT Tech Wax as well. I was just looking at my bottle of Liquid Glass and noticed a black label on the front, "Clear Coat Safe - Contains No Abrasives". Which in my experience of products seems to be true.

What is more interesting is the list of active ingredients.
- Aliphatic hydrocarbons (yes it's flammable but creates one hell of a bonding agent)
- Amino Polymers
- Ultra-Violet sunscreen inhibitors
- Moisturizers
- Conditioners
- Rust Inhibitors
- Mild inert cleaning agents
- Aliphatic petroleum solvents
 
So they do state that is has cleaning agents.

You can see what I mean about mislabeled products. In your link for the Liquid Glass, the link URL ends in "lgpolish". They call it a polish, but it's obviously not if it contains no abrasives.
 
Mr Detailer said:
It's too bad you don't live closer to me. I'd be happy to help you detail your car, and you wouldn't have to spend hundreds of dollars to get all the stuff that I'd be using on it. You don't live in Upper Michigan by any chance do you?

yeah...no...royal oak (my home town) is about 15 minutes north of detroit. kind of a distance. it's too bad, too, i'd love to see my car that shiny... beautiful job on the jag. looks better than new!

oh, and thanks for all the great info! this is sure helping me better understand car care!
 
p5power said:
yeah...no...royal oak (my home town) is about 15 minutes north of detroit. kind of a distance. it's too bad, too, i'd love to see my car that shiny... beautiful job on the jag. looks better than new!

oh, and thanks for all the great info! this is sure helping me better understand car care!


No problem. Feel free to PM me with any other questions or post a new thread.
 
Heck, I just know it creates a mirror smooth finish. Check out this close up shot.

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I was reading about FourStar Ultimate Paint Protection. Would this be the best product for protecting the front of the car? Someone should market a product that applies like a wax/polish and has the durability against small debris hitting the car. Much like the 3M film protection.
 
Well you have to understand that the layer of sealant/wax that you apply to your car with each coat is only a few molecules thick. It would be very difficult to create a barrier that thin that can prevent stones from chipping the paint beneath.

IMO, FourStar UPP *IS* the best thing for the front end, but for a different reason. The paint with UPP is the slickest I've EVER felt with any product or process. Bugs will wipe right off after a drive in the country. In addition to that, salt and dirt are very easy to remove as well. I like to wash my car by hand in the winter too (in the garage with warm water :) ) every couple days if it's got salt on it, so I can appreciate a product that makes removal of dried salt easier. It's the only thing I use on my car during the winter months, and I reapply it every month or so during the winter to ensure that the paint is well protected, and easy to clean.

The time I most enjoy a clean, glossy car is during the winter after a snowfall, when my car is the only one in town that is clean, and looks like it was just taken off the showroom floor and dropped from a helicopter. :)
 
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Then the salt/dirt mix melts with snow to create the nasty mush we all love. That is, those of us fortunate enough to have real seasons change.

I too spend countless hours in my garage. I think I need a heater come this winter.

FourStar UPP it is then. Now to find the best place to buy.
 
The cheapest place to buy it is http://www.exceldetail.com.
Patrick (the owner) charges exact shipping prices, so after shipping is factored in, it comes out cheaper than anywhere else.

I'll also recommend that you use a paint cleaner like P21S Gloss Enhancing Polish or Klasse All-In-One before applying UPP. It will make the paint even slicker, and the overall gloss and durability will increase. All three of those products are available at http://www.autogeek.net
That may end up being the best place to order from if you're going to order more than just UPP. Otherwise, for just UPP, order from Excel Detail.
 
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