Bush invokes 9/11 to argue for Iraq war
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MinivanHunter
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1killercls said:
hmmmm... Jordanian muslims who act American and are educated and do their best to fit in, I've seen the type before.
There are few counterterrorism success stories more compelling than that of Raed al-Banna, a 32-year-old Jordanian turned away by wary border officers who found multiple terrorist risk factors and refused him entry at OHare Airport in Chicago in July 2003.
Given Mr. Bannas fluent English and education as a lawyer, the next chapter in his story might conceivably have been a civil rights complaint. But events took a starkly different turn.
After a suicide car bombing killed 132 people in Hilla, Iraq, in February 2005, the bombers severed hand, still chained to the steering wheel, was found in the wreckage. Fingerprints identified the bomber as Mr. Banna, said Robert C. Bonner, who led United States Customs and Border Protection until last year.
source - New York Times:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/10/weekinreview/10shane.html
MinivanHunter said:hmmmm... Jordanian muslims who act American and are educated and do their best to fit in, I've seen the type before.
There are few counterterrorism success stories more compelling than that of Raed al-Banna, a 32-year-old Jordanian turned away by wary border officers who found multiple terrorist risk factors and refused him entry at OHare Airport in Chicago in July 2003.
Given Mr. Bannas fluent English and education as a lawyer, the next chapter in his story might conceivably have been a civil rights complaint. But events took a starkly different turn.
After a suicide car bombing killed 132 people in Hilla, Iraq, in February 2005, the bombers severed hand, still chained to the steering wheel, was found in the wreckage. Fingerprints identified the bomber as Mr. Banna, said Robert C. Bonner, who led United States Customs and Border Protection until last year.
source - New York Times:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/10/weekinreview/10shane.html
What you are dealing with is called called paranoia. Management by fear, It's what our current admin. is dishing out. Granted there are plenty of bad folks out there...but alot of good too. Don't make the one sided call that all Muslims are bad..it makes you look very ignorant.
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MinivanHunter
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1killercls said:
What we are dealing with is Islam.
MinivanHunter said:
Terrorists..not Islam as a whole. I won't lie...there is a small part of me that would like to just blame this all on the religion of Islam, especially since I hate organized religions... But that is simply not the case. Don't let a few bad apples spoil the whole bunch.
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MinivanHunter said:
What do you propose we do with the 1.2 million Americans who are Muslim?
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RODSCALIP5 said:
How was I treated with something in this thread??
Oh yeah...Post a link or its worthless
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jersey_emt said:
No I didn't read it wrong. You are completely missing my point. The dems are not in the majority, I know this. However they want to be, hence why the dems on the Senate Committee are saying that Bush acted on bad intel.
They are going to say that so they can garner more votes in the up coming elections to take the Republican seats and take away the repub majority.
Can I spell it out for you anymore than that?
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1killercls said:
You obviously don't understand what I am saying.
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1killercls said:
You have less quantifiable data to back up your points, so show me your proof...All you have given is opinion.
That's right, politics. The same reason this whole thing is a major topic yet again. Up coming elections and both sides are doing what ever they can to bash the other side to make themselves look good to reach a goal. In the repubs case, keep the majority, or in the dems case, gain more seats.
However, isn't it interesting that its the dems are making this a partisan thing.
Nice flawed logic. No WMDs found in country, hence everything else ever said about Iraq is obvisouly false. The 9/11 Commision never really approached the subject of aL Qaeda and Saddam or Iraq and aL Qaeda having a relationship. All they looked at was Saddam and 9/11. Simply because Saddam did not play apart in 9/11 does not automatically mean there is no connection between the two. Do you happen to knwo hwo the insurgence started in Iraq? Who is the main player in that, who is he tied to? How long was he in Iraq, prior to the war's start in 2003?
Your case has been all opinion based on slanted news stories from non-exsistent news sources. Post your own flawed stories so that I too may shoot them down with my own opinion.
Answer these questions with truthful facts, not opinion...
If there were no WMDs in Iraq, why did Saddam not allow the UN inpsectors to do there job and hamper their investigation?
What did Saddam do with the money he received from the Oil for Food Program? It did not go to the people, as it was intended.
What were those camps which were labeled as terrorist training sites? Muslim Summer Camps for the Iraqi kids?
Come on. You are quick shoot me down. Go for this.
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StuttersC said:
You are misunderstanding the situation as a whole.
The Senate Intelligence Committee as a whole has already affirmed via vote (and subsequent public report) that the intelligence used by the Bush administration to make the decision to declare war on Iraq was flawed and grossly overstated several key points.
The entire committee, which is by majority Republican (8 Republicans and 7 Democrats are on board), found that the intel was flawed, and that Bush acted based on bad intel.
Claiming that the intel was flawed is not a political tactic for Democrats in the upcoming elections. That claim has already been investigated and found to be true by a committee that has a Republican majority.
However, the Democrats on that committee are also pushing the notion that the Bush administration, when deciding to declare war on Iraq, KNEW that the information was flawed, yet acted on it anyways.
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jersey_emt said:
I see what you are saying over all, however this portion still enforces my point.
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StuttersC said:
Didn't you say that the Democrats are making false claims that the intelligence was flawed, and that accusation was a midterm political tactic to gain more seats and possibly control of Congress?
Yes, them claiming that the Bush administration acted on intel they KNEW to be false may be a "low blow". However, when the Democrats first made the claim that the intel was false, the Republicans said the same thing -- it was a political tactic and strategy to garner support.
The investigation into this matter will hopefully shed some light. The Democrats claim to have evidence supporting their case. This is an important matter and Americans deserve to know the truth.
(BTW, I am not affiliated with any political party)
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jersey_emt said:
I agree the truth does need to be told. And I too am not affiliated.
However, I find it hard to believe that intel reports that Bush sees are raw data sent directly from field agents with no coobaration, supporting evidence, etc. from anywhere. I have more faith on the grunts who gather this stuff than a senator who deems it to be bad intel.
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StuttersC said:
LOL! I don't need a link, the MEK now known as CAMP FALLUJAH was a training base for Republican Guard, and had 2 palaces where Saddam would kick back on his weekends. It was a nice little base, 2 swimming pools, a couple of ponds, and decent mud huts. Your link is wrong, BTW it was my home for 9 months.
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RODSCALIP5 said:
Great good for you...Were you there on the intial assault? Or did they tell you it was not a terrorist training camp? Why would Tommy Franks say it was when they invaded?
Terrorist camp stuff:
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/006/550kmbzd.asp
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http://www.intelmessages.org/Messages/National_Security/wwwboard/messages/826.html
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,84291,00.html
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Iraq and al Qaeda links
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/003/527uwabl.asp
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http://www.nationalreview.com/mccarthy/mccarthy200406170840.asp
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StuttersC said:
I was there for the Initial assault and OIF II, yes we were told it was a "possible" terrorist training camp. When we got there it was all republican guard, or what was left of them. Don't believe the media, more than half their sh*t is innacurate. If MEK stood for some "terrorist" organization, I doubt they would have allowed us to buy MEK T-shirts and Hats.
