building a monster MSP

Brian MP5T said:
Good ******* Luck with 400... Shoot there first, I will give you the majority of work you need to go big.

A big number is great, but if you cant put it on the road, it's a waste.

15 PSI on a GT-28rs is all you will need to truly stun people to the point that they have to ask at the next light...


I dont know how many times ive heard this, why are you guys so freaking affraid of doing something big and different ? theres lots of freaking Honda Civics, with GT37/ GT42 Turbos kicking mayor ass and they are all FWD, just tell me one reason in these case i cant put these power to the ground compared to others that have done it ?
 
DH Motorsports said:
I find that the people that will have a better chance to make the power are not posting it.

I find that the people that have a much less chance to make their claimed power are posting it.

600whp? I've heard it dozens of times. Prove me wrong by doing it. Otherwise, I'll bet you're just another person who has no idea what they are getting into.
How absolutely true.

I am not gonna go into details about what the project is, so please don't ask. I will let one picture do the talking...


newturbo.jpg
 
Focus said:
How absolutely true.

I am not gonna go into details about what the project is, so please don't ask. I will let one picture do the talking...


newturbo.jpg


Jejeje. There you Go Focus... HOLY ******* s*** !!!!!! it looks like a ******* 747 boeing Turbine my friend..... what turbo is that ?
 
Competition has always been the driving force in development. It's good that people need more power, need to be the best, need this, need that.

I'd like to think that I've seen plenty of msp's in my day and I don't recall ever seeing one with 400whp. Are they out there? probably. 500whp? never. 600whp? I had a dream once that mine did!

To the orginal poster, the block will theoretically hold it, but there is a good chance that you'll repeatedly blow the head gasket. Tranny's have been known to burn out with 250whp +. Keep that in mind as well. You're best bet is to look to other people's mods of things other than the block. Shave a few things off here, open up the pipes there and you'll add up 5hp here and 5hp there. That is you're best bet to get a "fast" car. There's no reason to put all the power into the block alone. It would be like putting a reactor in there, but when it goes boom, you take out twenty city blocks.

Another thing to think about is weight reduction. As others have already posted, MSP's are already lighter than most. You don't need 500whp to beat another 500whp car.

If you're doing a custom tranny (as I would assume with 600whp goal), think about changing the ratio's. Make 1st longer, otherwise you'll just sit at the light spinning you're tires all day long. Shorten fourth, that's where most "real" cars beat us (think supra).

Oh, and good luck with it! Plan for about 20-25k to put into it. And then another 15k+ for a car that you will be able to drive regularly.

Keep us informed with it's development.
 
icespeed said:
Competition has always been the driving force in development. It's good that people need more power, need to be the best, need this, need that.

I'd like to think that I've seen plenty of msp's in my day and I don't recall ever seeing one with 400whp. Are they out there? probably. 500whp? never. 600whp? I had a dream once that mine did!

To the orginal poster, the block will theoretically hold it, but there is a good chance that you'll repeatedly blow the head gasket. Tranny's have been known to burn out with 250whp +. Keep that in mind as well. You're best bet is to look to other people's mods of things other than the block. Shave a few things off here, open up the pipes there and you'll add up 5hp here and 5hp there. That is you're best bet to get a "fast" car. There's no reason to put all the power into the block alone. It would be like putting a reactor in there, but when it goes boom, you take out twenty city blocks.

Another thing to think about is weight reduction. As others have already posted, MSP's are already lighter than most. You don't need 500whp to beat another 500whp car.

If you're doing a custom tranny (as I would assume with 600whp goal), think about changing the ratio's. Make 1st longer, otherwise you'll just sit at the light spinning you're tires all day long. Shorten fourth, that's where most "real" cars beat us (think supra).

Oh, and good luck with it! Plan for about 20-25k to put into it. And then another 15k+ for a car that you will be able to drive regularly.

Keep us informed with it's development.


I get You. But Every Single Detail has been taken care of, since a Prestigious Shop its doing my car, TBK Performance, which is Hiboost In Miami its doing everything the right way, I have Fully Custom Trasmission Internals, with Helical Cut Gears Cryo treated the whole internals of the tranny, these gears has been tested and they hold 650+whp, also have Custom Driveshafts. by the way when you have certain amount of power you need to change your racing habits, and forget about redlight racing my friend, now you need rolling racing, and highway runs if you wanna hang out with big boys. like you said if you have the time, knowledge and money, go big or go home, like other people said before...
 
Mazdaspeed2oo35 said:
I get You. But Every Single Detail has been taken care of, since a Prestigious Shop its doing my car, TBK Performance, which is Hiboost In Miami its doing everything the right way, I have Fully Custom Trasmission Internals, with Helical Cut Gears Cryo treated the whole internals of the tranny, these gears has been tested and they hold 650+whp, also have Custom Driveshafts. by the way when you have certain amount of power you need to change your racing habits, and forget about redlight racing my friend, now you need rolling racing, and highway runs if you wanna hang out with big boys. like you said if you have the time, knowledge and money, go big or go home, like other people said before...

Who built the custom gears ( manufacturer ) ?
 
Focus said:
Who built the custom gears ( manufacturer ) ?


TBK and Hiboost Does, They have a their own shop in Colombia where they manufactor all of the Hiboost products, and now they are manufacturing our transmission internals... if you are interested i can get you great deals, im a sales rep of TBK which is the Brother of Juan Hiboost.... i got my custom gears last week. we are putting everything together already to achieve the 550whp we are looking for.. let me know if you need anything i can get great deals on everything you might me interested, also they make custom overhead cams and cam gears
 
Mazdaspeed2oo35 said:
TBK and Hiboost Does, They have a their own shop in Colombia where they manufactor all of the Hiboost products, and now they are manufacturing our transmission internals... if you are interested i can get you great deals, im a sales rep of TBK which is the Brother of Juan Hiboost.... i got my custom gears last week. we are putting everything together already to achieve the 550whp we are looking for.. let me know if you need anything i can get great deals on everything you might me interested, also they make custom overhead cams and cam gears

Believe me when I tell you that I have great gearset. As for Juan manufacturing gears, I find it hard to believe, because it takes million dollar machines...
 
Focus said:
Believe me when I tell you that I have great gearset. As for Juan manufacturing gears, I find it hard to believe, because it takes million dollar machines...



Well Is not that hard, cause they made my gear set, as i said before they have the shop in Colombia where they manufacture everything, by the way what turbo is that in the picture of yours ? what are your mods ?
 
Mazdaspeed2oo35 said:
I dont know how many times ive heard this, why are you guys so freaking affraid of doing something big and different ? theres lots of freaking Honda Civics, with GT37/ GT42 Turbos kicking mayor ass and they are all FWD, just tell me one reason in these case i cant put these power to the ground compared to others that have done it ?

scared of doing this?? im not scared and neither is alot of people here.. but unlike you, some dont have illimited ressources in shops and parts and money.. some use this car as a daily driver.. sure everyone wants to have a 300 whp msp.

but not all can.

sure, if i had money , LOTS of it.. i'd build it like everyone would..

have fun with yours :)
 
Brian MP5T said:
Good ******* Luck with 400... Shoot there first, I will give you the majority of work you need to go big.

A big number is great, but if you cant put it on the road, it's a waste.

15 PSI on a GT-28rs is all you will need to truly stun people to the point that they have to ask at the next light...
(werd) G-Luck.
 
I was going to do something like this with my MSP with 500whp being the goal. What stopped me was a lack of quality shop with MSP experience in my area and once I did the research into the drive line problems I just cut bait and figured I'd find another project. It's definitely far from impossible to put down huge HP numbers with fwd car and make it stick... I have a friend with a 93 civic hatch with an engine conversion and huge turbo that's dyno'd around 650 whp that is technically still a street machine though barely at this point. The car is freaking beast but still driveable. That's all about tuning and engine management. Think about the MS3 and how they handled the hp issues by detuning boost through first and second gears... where do you think they got that idea from? There are boost controllers out there that you can set the boost level to RPM level and I believe there are even others that allow you to tune for what gear your in and where you want it to be... think a dual stage bc but more advanced... That type of thing is basically necessity for fwd and rwd cars trying to launch with huge hp and not smoking out or bogging on launch
 
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just save some of your money for a video cam. maybe you can have 1-2 mounted on your car :P

Mazdaspeed2oo35 said:
nah.. waste of money, and too much money involve.. Im happy with what I have and dont mind being FWD
 
Micaspeed1 said:
Im planning on building a monster MSP when i graduate college for mechanical engineering. Its going to have forged internals much like lots of others on the board. Im going to custom build a high flow intake manifold, top mount tubular exhaust mani and custom 3" D.P. Im going to use a huge turbo like the gt37 or 42, standalone ems, probably the AEM and hopefully boost at 30+ psi with a pertinent fuel system. Custom cams, gears and head porting. Shooting for 600+ horse power and 10 second ETs.

My question is can the block handle it. The forged internals should with proper tunning but what is the next weakest link, will the head blow off?
Ive read that the tranny will fail at 350+ hp is there a fix for this.
Just looking for some opinions.
You are starting off right with the top mount, but a gt37 is not going to

make the power u will need to get deep in the 10's. A divided turbine

gt4088R and dual WG's probably would be you best bet , and at least a 3.5

inch downpipe(with Honda's 4in is the new 3in(yes)). It can be achevied but

as everyone has already said it will take some $$$$$$.(boom05)
 
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Why do you think I suggested putting a video cam on your car? and no i'm not "making fun of you". People on this forum are going to want to see your car in action....


Mazdaspeed2oo35 said:
I hope your not Making fun of me, with that comment... WTF a video cam have to do with these thread ? be more specific when you post
 
69RMSP said:
Why do you think I suggested putting a video cam on your car? and no i'm not "making fun of you". People on this forum are going to want to see your car in action....


My bad dude, i though something else, my appologies. Ill have dyno sheet and some videos when the car is ready, one more time, Im Very sorry
 

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