Boosting without power and nasty lurching/bucking when off throttle.

As of a few minutes ago I have performed a careful inspection of all my boost pipes and vacuum lines and as this point have seen no cuts, damage, or anything to indicate a leak in the vacuum lines or boost pipes. All clamps are snug and the connections do not appear to be leaking. Furthermore as I am having issues in and out of boost pipe expansion does not seem to the primary issue either. Considering how small a hole in the intake system would have to be for me to not be able to find it at this point it seems unlikely it could pull in enough unmetered air to cause issues at idle.
It has yet to throw any new CEL's. The problem does seem to manifest when the car is warm after driving for more than 15 minutes. My drive to and from work the car starts out cold and has time to cool off. But today as I was running errands the car did not have time to cool off and it was then it started to have issues. One thing it was doing which it had not done before was that it would start to shudder/buck which would get worse the longer I held the throttle in the same spot. Any new ideas or sensors I might need to pull and check with a ohm meter would be appreciated.

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I am not new to the world of cars and how they operate. I have done partial rebuilds, engine swaps (including a i4 2.0 to v6 2.5) as well as performing 100% of my engine work and maint for the last 10 years from oil changes to replacing gears in a transmission as well as helping out many of my old car club members. I do have limited turbo experience, but I was not blindly throwing parts. The CPU had thrown no CEL and inspection had shown no identifiable culprit. In the past and from searching here on the forums, coils have shown to have intermittent failures, and as these coils were getting quite old replacing them was a good choice. Plugs are dirt cheap and as I use the copper plugs they are supposed to be changed out rather often anyways, wires were because they are again, quite old and were starting to come apart. I have since thrown only a bank 1 too rich code.

bwalt, unless you have something more helpful to post, I would ask you avoid posting in this thread anymore. To me you are coming across as a know-it-all who really is unable to provide anything to actually help get MY car working again. When I come check this post after carefully inspecting my car hoping someone else has a new tip and get a response which comes across as "You obviously don't know what you are doing." It is exceptionally irritating. If you do have something specific (which you did early on mentioning a possible boost leak) such as a particular sensor or issue you have had in the past I welcome that. But if you intend to continue posting condescending vague general tips and telling me I am doing it wrong, then please simply do not post, I am already frustrated enough with the car.
 
bwalt, unless you have something more helpful to post, I would ask you avoid posting in this thread anymore. To me you are coming across as a know-it-all who really is unable to provide anything to actually help get MY car working again. When I come check this post after carefully inspecting my car hoping someone else has a new tip and get a response which comes across as "You obviously don't know what you are doing." It is exceptionally irritating. If you do have something specific (which you did early on mentioning a possible boost leak) such as a particular sensor or issue you have had in the past I welcome that. But if you intend to continue posting condescending vague general tips and telling me I am doing it wrong, then please simply do not post, I am already frustrated enough with the car.

Sorry man, didn't mean come off like that... I am a mechanic by the way and my MSP recently went through the same issues your describing. I bought plugs, coils, wires, front mount ic with hardpipes, upgraded bpv, and an ssafc. None of that gave me consistent results. I came across a boost leak tester and decided to test my intake system... The couplers at the turbo and both sides of the intercooler leaked air when I pressured up the intake with the car off. Tighten clamps till it holds 7psi, reset the ecu and all my problems went away.

I'm just speaking from experience, you can't just visually inspect your intake pipes and expect them to hold pressure if they 'look' fine. If boost escapes after the maf, then you'll run rich and the car will buck and fall on its face. Using that tester will create a boost environment with the engine off, allowing you to track down leaks and ensure your system is sealed... If you still think I'm an asshole then I will stop trying to help you.
 
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No worries then bwalt, I am sure being frustrated with the car did not help my perception. Currently I have stock plastic and the clamps are all about as tight as seems safe considering the plastic nipples. I was looking more closely at the boost leak tester to see about getting the parts I need to build one tomorrow.
One thought is perhaps I should run the car until the point of when it starts to have issues and then tighten the clamps at that point when the plastic is more flexible and when I seem to be having the issues?
 
It's all good, I know how these cars can get you down. Tightening down the clamps while the car is hot would help too (if it's a clamp issue), plastic/silicone couplers will be more squishy when hot. Those testers are really handy for anyone working on a boosted car and they're easy to build too. The best part is you can track down any leak with the engine off.
 
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whenever my car starts doing that i just reset the ecu. seems to make it better until the next time it starts doing it weeks of months later =\
 
I reset the ecu which changed nothing. Right now just starting the car up, it sounds like it is misfiring. I am not sure what the deal is, I have a hardpipe kit en route(someone I had ordered before it started acting up), it seems like any leak in the boost piping that I cannot visually see shouldn't have this big of an impact on idling. Of course even running rough like this it is not throwing any codes.
 
As I mentioned, take a look at the stupid platic nipple on the cold pipe (most stupid design I have ever seen). You won't detect it by pressurizing the system since you'd have to pressurize from the turbo intake. Normally the cracks are at the bottom of the nipple, so remove the hose going to the BPV. You can also remove the cold pipe to be 100% sure (use a hair dryer at the connection, much easier). This could explain your CEL, in that case i'd be cause by unmetered air. Also, let the engine warm up and tighten the clamps again so now they are at their tightest when plastic has expanded (be careful, stock clamps are garbage and can break when overtighten). I agree with bwalt, try a pressure tester to be 100% sure you have no leaks. Good luck, keep us posted
 
Also, crap idle cound be the EGR, the are known to get dirty and make the car act up. Installing your hardpipe kit would give you the chance to look at all your vaccums 1 by 1.
 
Yeah I agree, the crappy idle and the Too Rich CEL, indicates that it would have to be a major air leak; the EGR might also be a good call. I am now a believer in relocating the MAF. I just relocated mine, and the car drives WAY better (it used to stall occasionally); and the low throttle drivability is SO much better. Plus it nearly eliminates issues with loose piping that mess with the metered airflow. Highly Recommended. But, I doubt if it will help with your current problem (since it came on all of a sudden), unless it is truly a vacuum leak and the mods fix it seems like you may have bigger issues. If you have a Boost Gauge, try pulling vacuum line off (causing an intentional leak) and see if the vacuum drops and it runs crappy, that will let you know what size vacuum leak you are looking for. I would also check all the diaphragms for leaks. (VTCS actuator etc), and make sure the EGR is not stuck. Even with a stock tune is shouldnt run as crappy as you describe. Seems like plugs, coils would throw a misfire CEL, but I could be wrong. Does anyone you know have a scan tool? You can check fuel trims and such and help diagnose what is going on? I am still learning the MSP through the school of hard knocks, but when you get it dialed in (which I am slowly closing in on) it is worth it so keep your head up.
 
I reset the ecu which changed nothing. Right now just starting the car up, it sounds like it is misfiring. I am not sure what the deal is, I have a hardpipe kit en route(someone I had ordered before it started acting up), it seems like any leak in the boost piping that I cannot visually see shouldn't have this big of an impact on idling. Of course even running rough like this it is not throwing any codes.

I would say get those hardpipes installed so you can rule out the crappy stock plastic pipes... they will break eventually anyways. It's sounds like you have a major air leak after your maf now. Possible that something got disturbed while your were pokin around?
 
Tore apart the crap plastic pipes, on the underside of the turbo to IC pipe I found a tear in one of the pleats. It is not a particularly huge hole, but it is all I have been able to find after carefully examining every pipe off of the car. Pulled plugs and they are soot covered so it ran rich as hell. From everything I have looked through that tear is the only problem I have been able to find. The best I can do is just carefully check everything as I put it together and hope that fixes it atm. I completely cleaned the EGR valve bout 6 months ago (will probably do so again after seeing how rich it ran). WGA is fine, will have to check the actuators on the IM for leaks, I do have a boost gauge which is how I knew it was pulling 18-20 inches of mercury.

My turbo is leaking oil pretty badly so I went ahead and just pulled that off to replace the CHRA while I have access(wish I could find the how-to on taking it apart... cannot get the exhaust half to come free using any gentle means). New gaskets/studs/nuts all around while I have it apart (turbo likes to slowly wiggle lose from the exhaust mani on my car). Sadly its not the best timing I had been eyeing a steedspeed exhaust mani for when I replaced the CHRA but not sure I want to drop the 750 on that atm, same for a the nice 350 PEP downpipe.

Now that I have it apart I am also going to look at clocking the turbo. I know its a bit of a pain on this car as the WGA bracket has to be relocated, but while I have it torn completely apart and before the piping has been made to fit might be worth fabbing a bracket or adding a couple threaded holes.
 
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Will do. Sending off the CHRA today, ordered a Steedspeed exhaust manifold yesterday, intercooler and hardpipes in the living room. I will get all new gaskets,nuts,bolts,studs when I have the CHRA mailed to me. Just trying to figure out if there is anything else I should replace while I have it apart. Kinda pondering motor mounts while I have that area opened up some.
 
New mishimoto radiator and fan on the way as well, looks like it has been leaking near the bottom tank.
 
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Got it together and took for it for a drive. I ended up doing FMIC with all hard pipes, clocked turbo, Mishimoto Radiator w/slimfan, Steedspeed Exhaust mani, new CHRA for the turbo, MAF relocation, Forge BOV, removal of the butterfly flap in the intake mani,, and a front motor mount. I would be lying if i said I was impressed with the results. It does run pretty well although I get some idle issues while driving (idles perfectly when sitting still) not sure of the cause. It appears the front motor mount turned my car into a two stroke, while accelerating at lower rps it transfers almost all the vibrations through the car so that will be leaving my car asap. I adjusted the tension on the forge WGA but it still seems to be opening at 5 psi which is a tad annoying. I also seem to have some steam coming off the new radiator, I am just hoping it is something burning off. I also seem to have some turkey if I am just lightly boosting, which I can REALLY hear now that I have effectively a short ram intake.
 

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