BOOM!!My MSP IS NO MORE!!!

[perfworks]

i know now who you were talking about chris. sorry.

and you missy with the know it all gums that are flappin' i am not going to argue with someone who obviuosly reads too many magazines and how to articles . but unfortunatly i am at a friends home using a laptop with not much of a battery left so when i get back to my shop i think ill be more than happy to indulge you in a pissing contest if you want dip s***.
by the way i didnt comment to flame any one if you didnt notice by the post. but i guess thats why you are a saleperson because you cant read correctly . i was just giving you my opinion for what the majority of these people could do with a LOW BOOST application.
let me know when your off your rag and we can talk sensible like individuals instead of a stuck up b**** that cant take critisism.

 

[boostisgood]

(lol) thanks perfworks, you beat me to (flame) ing her. BTW, go get the new HCI, and learn how to put together a turbo kit there psifactor. You dont need the overkill toyota supra/nissan skyline build to run a decent low boost application. I know plenty of guys with Hondas, Mazdas, Nissans, Cavaliers, Neons, Ect. Ect running 1 bar boost or more on stock internals with no issues. Its all in the tuning. hence the term "TUNING".

Main Entry: fine-tune
Pronunciation: 'fIn-'tn
Function: transitive verb
Date: 1967
1 a : to adjust precisely so as to bring to the highest level of performance or effectiveness <fine-tune a TV set> <fine-tune the format> b : to improve through minor alteration or revision <fine-tune the temperature of the room>Main Entry: 2tune
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): tuned; tuning
Date: 15th century
transitive senses
1 : to adjust in musical pitch or cause to be in tune <tuned her guitar>
2 a : to bring into harmony : ATTUNE b : to adjust for precise functioning -- often used with up <tune up an engine> c : to make more precise, intense, or effective

Main Entry: tune-up
Pronunciation: -"&p
Function: noun
Date: 1933
1 : a general adjustment to insure operation at peak efficiency

All 3 of these are stright from http://www.m-w.com (Websters dictionary), and associated with the word Tuner/Tune/Tune-up. I see nothing there related to "rebuild-solidify-bulletproof" do you ?

Seems to me your idea of tuning is to build the engine,up so any mistake you make would not hurt the engine. As to where a true tuner can, and will create the most power with minimal add-ons. Again, see above terms from Websters dictionary. Basically, a "tuner" can, and will get 12 PSI out of this car with minimal bolt-ons, and corrections of fuel/timing maps. Not jsut throw together a bullet proof bottom end so it wont blow because you dont know wtf your doing. So, now I got my (flame) in what say you PSIfactor ? I would suggest sticking to selling the cars, cause your idea of "tuning" is way off base.

 

[Kooldino]

Geez, guys, calm down!

-Forcefed has an f'd engine and/or turbo...he's running stock and it will be fixed under warranty. Yay for him.

-bcbadboy is running 12psi on the stock system, with just the boost cranked up. psifactor ponited out that this isn't a good idea w/o supporting mods, and she's right.

-03MzdSpdSTP has a "funny" avatar from the former Nickelodeon show, Invader Zim

-psifactor listed some mods she'd LIKE to do if she had an MSP.

-Not everyone totally agreed with all of her mods.

When I break it down, I don't see why all the playa hatin' is going on?!! Stay cool guys.

 

[I-Am-Chris]

how bout that she come on here always in someone elses thread and proceeds the flame them when its just someone commenting on a topic. Then of course we get the DSM ref. to about how a mod worked on that car or tuning or what not. Hey thats fine and dandy but when you come on here flamming someone on another topic its uncalled for! hey if you had a beef with him like i said, should have been takin up in a new topic or in the flame fourm. stay cool? WTF! who is the one who started with it. This is also a brand new car (somewhat) there is still lots of trial and error with the proteges

 

[perfworks]

thats the main problem w/ the majority of tuners out there; they dont take the time to do a quality job. Do you think Toyota was building their supra and ever said "meh, forged internals is over kill, lets just stick w/ cast, since its only gonna push 280 PS" Do you think those engineers ever said "Meh, a metal head gasket is over kill on the supra, lets just use a composite since its only gonna run low boost and run 280 PS".... I dont think so, you people have a hard time understanding things like this.

Any boost junkie wont have an issue w/ running over 5500 rpm just about everyday, they will probalby run it up to redline at LEAST once a day.

Eagle makes perfectly fine products, they are the common upgrade when building DSM motors for over 450 flywheel HP, and they also use JE or Ross pistons in conjunction w/ the rods. I dont know what kind of problems you had w/ the Eagles, but in my experience, theres nothing wrong w/ them.

If you think oversized valves arent needed since the engine is under boost, then we might as well DOWNsize the valves to save weight...since itll flow the same cuz its under boost. would you listen to yourself....its a little foolish. Oversized valves will flow more air w/ less resistance meaning less pressure drop, more volume for the same velocity.

Uhm, as far as studs on the main and head... since your talking about essentially a STOCk protege motor w/ a turbo KIT bolted to it...its not designed for the stresses that the motor can put out. For instance... the 2JZ-GTE has head fastners that are BIGGER than a chevy V8...and you think Overkill is a bad thing?! Studs are GOOD, its a win-win upgrade... no debate. you may not NEED it, but you also dont need a turbo charged car that is all flashy, all you NEED is some sort of motorized transportation to go from point A to point B...but we arent into cars because of needs, we are into cars because of desires and wishes.

As far as you O-ringing the block...thats performing irreversable modifications to the engine... id rather have the block and head machined for a MHG, and not put grooves in my deck that could possibly weaken the deck strength... We dont know yet if the block deck is thick enough to handle this kind of mod safely... Besides, why mess w/ something thats proven...Toyota has already proven the Metal HG works wonders...how bout them 600+ HP supras w/ stock motors and big singles? cant argue w/ success.

You dont really know what all balancing and blueprinting involves doo you? a batch of pistons may have piston pin heights that vary between pistons by several thousandths of an inch, and the piston diameter can vary like that also, and so will the ring pack placement in relation to the piston crown. im not going to get into all of it cuz its more than just weighing, grinding, and measuring...its pretty damn involved. Itll take more time and effort to properly balance and blue print a motor than actual assembly.

but hey, im not mad...i just get frustrated sometimes when people dont understand my point and think its ridiculous.



by the way, i dont care. But thanks anyways as long as you knew what i meant, thats all that matters...

so lets start from the top.

we are NOT building anything INCLUDING a supra. the majority of these members are looking to increase what they have and have fun talking about it with there fellow peers and associated members.

what exactly is a "boost junkie"?
damn you know what its not even worth picking apart this post because its just asking for trouble.
so let me say this. some people dont have $4000 to do up the entire head like you have mentioned . along with another $2000 for bottom end. they are basically looking to pep things up a little for the most part.some others are looking for true power and are going in the right direction with forged internals etc. now without jacking this thread any more i will sum up my thoughts because kooldino is right and i need to calm down. he is of course the voice of reason right know.
ANYONE who understands forced induction will tell you that a turbocharger and/or boost from any forced induction set up is not the culprit for the majority of the blown engines. it is directly related to "tuning" the proper fuel and IGNITION timing to prevent "shock" from PEAK CYLINDER PRESSURES BTDC.
so with that said the stock engines can and will continue to take abuse from N/A or forced ind. its all on how you "apply" the power potential. dont be fooled everone understands that ANYTHING you do to the EXTREME is never feasable.

good day

 

[ForceFed]

Hey guys,I got thread jacked like three pages ago:wtf: But i aint hatin' it's cool. I know how to turn this in a different direction(since it is my thread)You guys are lucky ,While your out driving in your MSP ,think of me and my blown motor and the fact that i got a F@#KIN' FOUR DOOR NEON AS A RENTAL!AUTO AT THAT!!:wtf: NOW , does all the bickering seem like its worth it I think not!(BUT I DO GET A KICK OUT OF IT!)
NEONS DO 3 THINGS WELL!
1.don't go
2.don't stop
And
3.DONT F@#KIN' HANDLE FOR $HIT!!!
Unfortunatly i had to find this out the hard way

NOW ,what do you guys think about that:wtf: :bs:

 

[Vicocola]

yea stop fighting.. the guy just lost his motor here
btw good luck with your neon.. hopefully u'll get used to it then when u get your msp back.. u'll definitely appreciate it

 

[2K3 MSP]

FORCEFED...The only thing I can recommend with your "new" NEON is to run the s*** out of it...At least try to have fun with that P.O.S. You've got to e-brake around some corners for me...I haven't been able to race around in a car for a month now!!

 

[ForceFed]

Hey 2K3 , I already did a few e-brake pulls around some corners LOL The damn NEON does do some excellent e-brake action.The next "PULL" is for you!

 

[charles]

I'd be BUMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMED out man!!!
:bs:

Got it a bit backwards. The MP3 had advanced timing the MSP is retarded.

The MSP is not retarded!(pissed)

(my lameass joke for the day)

 

[1sty]

I'd be BUMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMED out man!!!
:bs:



The MSP is not retarded!(pissed)

(my lameass joke for the day)

I was wondering when someone was going to call me on that .

 

[boostisgood]

Ewwww Matt, I owned a 4 door Poopy Neon before my MSP. I feel for ya bro. Try off roading in it, trust me

 

[Kooldino]

stay cool? WTF!

I meant for EVERYONE to stay cool. I wasn't picking sides here.

 

[Kooldino]

1.don't go
2.don't stop
And
3.DONT F@#KIN' HANDLE FOR $HIT!!!
Unfortunatly i had to find this out the hard way

NOW ,what do you guys think about that:wtf: :bs:

Hehe, well there's always the Neon SRT-4...which goes, stops, and handles very well.



*puts on flame retardant suit*

 

[Kooldino]

The next "PULL" is for you!

I usually only "PULL" for chicks.

Ooh oh oh...you mean an e-brake pull. My bad.

 

[1sty]

Hehe, well there's always the Neon SRT-4...which goes, stops, and handles very well.



*puts on flame retardant suit*

Yeah the SRT/4 is definitly the best Sport Compact out there!





*Runs for the Mexacan border to aviod being snipered by a MSP owner*

 

[psifactor]

Im gonna have to put my waders on cuz there just too much bulls*** on this board. Im telling it like it is. Ask ANYONE who wants to build a proper car; overkill is GOOD. And if you dont have $6000 to build a proper motor, i guess you shouldnt have spent all your money on a piss-poor engineered car in the first place. And if you dont want to do it right from the beginning, then dont bother opening your mouth to ask for suggestions. Doing the bare minimum to get by is just pathetic and under-achieving. It doesnt matter what the name of the car is or what the badge on the car says, every car that is meant to be driven hard deserves to have a properly supported drivetrain/powertrain. Thats what i was talkin about. Btw, it wont cost as much as you think unless you are paying someone ELSE to do all your work...

I guess a girl cant get mad unless shes on her period...wtf is that about...that just goes to show how ignorant some people are. Somtimes the people on this board are so foolhardy its crazy. and there is just no talking sense into some people either.

Bottom line is, opinions were asked for, Opinions is what they got... so shut the hell up and quit bitching about my opinions. No one said YOU have to abide by them. its merely a suggestions...so DO calm down and stop getting so worked up. No reason for you to even start calling names or flaming. its damn near impossible to have an advanced technical discussion w/ some people cuz they get all pissy.

Also, the knowlege doesnt come from import magazines, it comes from actual books that are used for TEACHING college classes. I cant even READ an import car magazine w/o pointing out several technical flaws and being disgusted...but thats the price i have to pay being a seroius enthusiast and BOOST JUNKIE.

And who gives a s*** what Websters dictionary says about a tuner...lets try NOT to be so anal about the interpretation of a word.

 

[I-Am-Chris]

Yeah the SRT/4 is definitly the best Sport Compact out there!





*Runs for the Mexacan border to aviod being snipered by a MSP owner*

LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[1sty]

PSI brings an engineering prespective that is seldom seen in car modifications.
An engineers view is if in 1 time in a 100 somehting could go wrong and break then thats twice to many times!
I have to agree with her ion several levels including some of topic BS comments.

I will give you some examples of what She and I mean.
When I noticed my Boost was hitting 10 PSI I mentioned it here and someone mentioned that can happen with an internal wastegate and thats why you have a boost guage.
- This is bulls*** and a desgin flaw. If 10 PSI can kill the car then a proper system will not beable to produce that level. Plain and simple.

Another exampl is when my muffler fell off someone mentioned that it was becuase I didn't let my car warm up or didn't drive it long enough.
- If a muffler falls off after 5 months then it is simply s*** and to blaim driving style or style for a products failure is a totaly unacceptable answer.

Reliability is the name of the game, without it mods are simply not worth it. 6 Months is not an acceptable time line for reliability, 6 YEARs is approaching acceptable.

 

[psifactor]

W3rd...Finally, another sensible individual pokes their head out