been decided, going boosted

[Shift2xlr8]

will the turbo from a mazda cx7 fit a turbo manifold on a protege? what should i to to my car to prepare for the new turbo? keep in mind im on a budget

I'm not quite sure what size turbo that is, but like I said before....stick to trying to find you a nice used MSP turbo...its a GT25 (Garrett T25 non ball bearing) And the manifold is a Callaway turbo manifold. Just hunt and troll the For Sale section for parts, its a lot cheaper that way.

 

[Shift2xlr8]

im running my built motor bigger turbo msp as a dd and dont listen to what shift2xlr8 said about the ecu learning around the unichip he has no idea what hes talking about and i bet you if i asked him what the ecu did to learn around a piggyback he would have no idea. Only problem with the unichip is there is no end user tunability. You have to take it to a certified unichip dealer to have a custom tune done for your car

You're right I don't know the answer. But why put your car down for weeks waiting for your ECU to get back from the UniChip dealer when you can just buy the SSAFC or a Haltech? I know a few guys with other cars that don't like their UniChips and a few Mazda guys with them that regret ever buying them, but don't have the money to buy a Haltech. And yes our ECU's do learn around Piggy Back AFC's, read around more and you will find it...I don't think that Ken or the guys at Street Unit or SLS Performance would say something like such if it weren't true...?

What kind of EMS do you run on your built, bigger turbo DD? if you don't mind me asking.

The guy that started this thread is on a tight buget, so why wouldn't he just buy a MSP ECU and save him self the hassle and down time on his DD when he can just get a MSP ECU and thats it, quick fast and no hassle. It gets the job done without being a pain in the ass or waiting for UniChip to send him his ECU weeks later.

 

[808MP5]

uh... not sure but my ecu is not learning around the ssafc... you can force it into open loop depending on your settings

cough cough...
im not going to argue about the ssafc learning around the ecu... but whatever

best bet is to find a used stock MSP kit... if not save your money and collect parts and build your own turbo kit...

 

[Shift2xlr8]

uh... not sure but my ecu is not learning around the ssafc... you can force it into open loop depending on your settings

cough cough...
im not going to argue about the ssafc learning around the ecu... but whatever

best bet is to find a used stock MSP kit... if not save your money and collect parts and build your own turbo kit...

I didn't say the ECU learned around the SSAFC, I said that it learns around other piggy backs. But you were right, I did type that and I had no intention of, sorry for my posts late at night...PWND by lack of sleep!

 

[Shift2xlr8]

Did you have to buy a ignition controller when you put your SSAFC on? or just left it alone?

 

[808MP5]

Stay alert stay alive. Sleep is a crutch. But your right about getting the MSP ECU. Couldn't get the afr right with the p5 ecu without maxing out the MAF

No ignition controller.

 

[Shift2xlr8]

Ya I honestly don't know why people don't just spend the $300 at Protege Garage and get the MSP ECU lol. Thats my intentions at least til I can get a Haltech or something along the lines of that. Do you know how well the MAF and ECU off the MSP handle the SSAFC? Like do you think you could push it to roughly 250hp/230whp ish?

From my understanding, it isn't too hard to reach 250hp on a MSP setup, may have to change out the turbo however, but with supporting mods I don't forsee it being an issue.

 

[rooster]

don't forget oil cooler, oil lines, oil return, oil feed, gaskets, coolant lines, vaccum lines, hose clamps, etc.

it's the little things that add up the cost.

 

[Shift2xlr8]

don't forget oil cooler, oil lines, oil return, oil feed, gaskets, coolant lines, vaccum lines, hose clamps, etc.

it's the little things that add up the cost.

Oh ya I know, I was just throwing out the main parts needed. You can get a oil cooler just about anywhere for pretty cheap. Same with Oil lines, coolant lines, and vaccum lines and hose clamps.

 

[KrayzieFox]

I'll chime in a bit here..

I turbo'd my P5 this summer, and I love it. It set me back about $1500 total, which wasn't that bad.. considering that if I sold my P5 and bought a MSP it would've been a difference of about $4-$5K instead.

The turbo "kit" itself cost me $1000 even, and that included the turbo, manifold, lines, FMIC & pipes, FMU (BEGi FPR & Flyin Miata voltage clamp), gauge pod and gauges. Then I just had to buy a BOV, wideband, boost controller, oil cooler and lots of random bolts, connectors, wires, etc. (that stuff adds up..) So in the end it cost me about $1500 with EVERYTHING!

Installation took about a week. If you can dedicate 4 straight days of work, you can definitely pull it off but I had to work at the same time so it took me a little longer. Very straightforward install if you go with the MSP setup. Everything bolts right up and the oil/water lines are a breeze to hook up. I also went with the MSP oil cooler (see article http://www.protegefaq.net/msoilcooler/ ) because under any amount of boost, I would highly recommend having at least SOME type of oil cooler. Otherwise you'll be burning through oil way too fast.

As for fuel management & boost I say you stick with the MSP ECU and 6-7 psi if this is going to be your daily driver. I drive my car about 300 miles a week and have had zero problems since the install. The only snags I ran into were a few oil leaks, one was a bad gasket on the oil return adapter off the turbo, the other one was my stupidity of not tightening the drain plug all the way. Unless you can afford forged internals, I wouldn't suggest going above 7 psi. You can probably get away with it, but why tempt fate if you don't have to? I'm at 6 psi and the car feels great.. and if you're not satisfied with that amount of power, then forge the internals first, invest in a SS AFC, and THEN up the boost. Anything above 8 psi on stock rods is just asking for trouble, but I say you stick with 6-7 if you want to be reliable.

 

[Shift2xlr8]

KrayzieFox - thanks for chiming in, I was starting to feel like maybe I really was on the wrong track and really didnt know wtf I was talking about lol. It has been a very late night for me the last week and I've been insanely tired all the time so I think half my posts were just random posting some of the time. lol

 

[KrayzieFox]

No problem.

...MSP turbo...its a GT25 (Garrett T25 non ball bearing)...

But to clarify on something else you previously said, the stock MSP turbo IS indeed a ball bearing turbo. It's a dual ball bearing GT25R.

 

[cosmicbluejosh]

im running the hiboost kit on my 02 es at 8psi. had it for just under a year now and my car is dd. i even drove it from san diego to pennsylvania and back with no problems. my car has just over 100,000 miles, installation wasn't that bad but as other people mentioned it will take a little while to iron out all the problems and get it running just right.

 

[dxaveP5]

alright perfect ^_^ found the thread that i needed (thank you "search")
K so i drive 03 p5, and decided to go boost with the stock msp setup, install should be ok right? i wouldnt need to mess with timing, compression ratios, or do any tuning and etc...cause im running stock turbo specs?
i already emailed Jason at onlinemazdaparts to see an estimation on the msp turbo build parts and waiting for his reply.
i also have ALLDATA which has all the info for the msp turbo. so as for torquing i think i'll be fine and i'll know i wont have any major leaks cause i wouldve bolted it down tight and correctly to factory specs.

 

[808MP5]

Buy 719proteges turbo set upon the fs section if it's not already gone. $1300
I can bet that just the turbo from olmp will coat more than that

 

[s0n1cm0nk3y]

i know how much turbos dont like back pressure, but i am curious, stock exhaust save with turbo kit? looking at 719proteges.


also is it easy to install a fmic under a stock bumper (non mp3/msp/mp5)?

 

[808MP5]

anything can be done with a little bit of cutting, welding, glue, and duct tape

 

[KrayzieFox]

i know how much turbos dont like back pressure, but i am curious, stock exhaust save with turbo kit? looking at 719proteges.


also is it easy to install a fmic under a stock bumper (non mp3/msp/mp5)?

Yea, it should be fine.. but it won't perform as well as possible. If you're gonna do this, DO IT RIGHT!! Don't skimp out on anything. Money spent now, is money saved later.

And no, it's not very easy to install a FMIC. 99% of the kits out there require bumper cutting.. unless you completely remove the stock bumper bar.