basics of driving a manual

tranzformer

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2002 P5
hey just a question. whenever i come to a red light, i like shifting into neutral and just coast to the light. is there anything wrong with this?? also when i am about to make a turn, i usually put the car into neutral, brake, make the turn then shift into a lower gear. anything wrong with this?? a family friend who drives 18 wheelers was telling me that fwd cars are better in snow but worse on ice. he said if i ever get caught on ice to but the car into neutral so power isnt going to the wheels and having one tire slip while getting power. he said once it is in neutral both tires should spin equally. just a few questions from a noob driving stick
 
Shifting into neutral then coasting when coming to a light is fine. i do it all the time. why waste gas trying to get to a red light. When turning (say a full 90degree turn) i keep it in gear and modualte the clutch and gas depending on how fast i want to go through the turn. putting it in neutral to turn isn't the best bet mainly for saftey reasons. as for bad weather driving a front wheel drive car will give you better initial grip because the majority of weight is on the front wheels. as with any kind of driving or car, tires are the most important factor. In regards to shifting into neutral when on ice its not going to be all that beneficial....it all depends on what you are trying to do while on that ice(ie..accelerate,turn,stop.) Once you start to slide there isn't much you can do. just take it easy with the accelerator.
 
Coasting in neutral is fine. Saves on gas and wear and tear on the tranny. I do it alot not just for approaching red lights, but when traffic is light and I'm going downhill, etc......

I prefer to have the car in gear when going around a corner. At the legal speed limit for regular 90 degree [or so] turns, you can use 2nd gear. 3rd gear is a bit smoother for passengers and for reducing the "driveline shock" you might experience when you hit the gas afterwards.

You might even be able to use 4th gear if the speed limit is slow enough. Take advantage of the torque our engines offer. I used to modulate the clutch when taking turns but not anymore. Just don't follow someone closely that's in front of you.
 
heel-toe downshifting... to make a turn on the street. wow... now thats a real entusiast!
 
A.V.MSP said:
the more you just use the brakes the longer your clutch will last. I drive the same way.

Ive always taken this philosophy in standards. Decade and a half, and it's never
failed me. Brakes are cheaper to replace than a clutch.
 
Is noone aware of the fact that when engine-braking with Fuel Injected cars, the injectors are actually shutoff, thus you get arguably better mileage because of the small amount of fuel it would usually take to idle while you coast...

Apart from that. To me, part of having a manual and the extra control to me is being able to downshift and not have to stomp on the brakepedal all the time. Yes yes, It does make sense that this is only more wear on tranny and clutch, etc. but fuggit, that's why I like driving, and have a fun-to-drive car.

And yes, heel-toe downshifting is sooo damn nice to do. once you've got it figured out on the boil you'll have a BLAST tearing up twisties (it wasn't JUST my car letting me keepup with that vette I did lately) ANd, yes, actually, in-town traffic is the best place to practice this. Basically it'll get you in the habit, and give you lots of oppertunity to hone the methods.

As far as driving in adverse conditions... if you leave your car in gear and use the engine to help you slow, you'll actually keep some form of control as the engine will not allow your wheels to lockup. What your friend is likely referring to is that under power, your car will act weird if you're on the gas. But with front wheel drive it's much easier to just let off the throttle and get it back wheras with rwd, you'd likely fishtail. Really the best thing to do is find a big open curb-free area of a parkinglot to play in when it starts getting nasty out. benefits are that it's fun as well as teaches you all sortsa emergency handling tidbits in ways that words typed on the net could never do.
 
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When i say to coast towards a light etc.to save gas i am referring to not using a constant pressure on the accelerator when heading towards that light. you'd be using more gas traveling 30mph at 2500rpm compared to coasting at idle at 700rpm....so why use the gas when you will be stopping no matter what.

It would be interesting to see how much gas is actually used under engine braking(the reason being because i have heard that under braking emissions are usually higher)
 
are you sure about the injectors being off? i always get a bit of back fire when i'm engine breaking and wouldn't that be because the injectors are actually on?
 
I heel-toe everywhere on the streets. I like to be in control of the car at all times, meaning having it in gear unless I'm stopped. I especially wouldn't go through a turn with it in neutral, but that's just me I guess.

~brian
 
I have always wondered whether or not the injectors are on or off myself during foot off throttle/engine braking.
 
road racing

I took a few road racing classes. 2 for sport bikes and 2 for cars.(Skip Barber) They both say to brake prior to entrance of the turn. Then let off the brake and apply the trottle in slow even pressure. Then at the exit of the turn step on the gas harder. This will even out the distribution of the weight of the vehicle. Try this in the twisties, you'll be amazed at the benefits of learning this technique.
TRy you're car, then try it on something like a full-size truck or an suv. you'll be amazed how differnet the vehicle handles, no matter what it is.
Cheers
Chefs P5
 
Learning advanced down shifting techniques is half the fun of owning a sporty manual car.

Start with some basic down shifting. In 4th or 5th gear your coming up to a red light - in a quick fluid movement push the clutch in and blip the throttle to rev the engine, quickly shifting to a lower gear and release the clutch. This should take only a 1 sec or so to complete, if you did it right the revs will match and it will feel smooth and you will start to decelerate. If the revs are to low you will notice a slight bucking and feel the engine rev to match the rpms, if they are to high it will sound off. Practice is very important to learn exactly how to match rpms, but in time it will become 2nd nature to downshift all the time before braking. Downshifting like this does increase clutch wear if not done properly, but if you learn to match the rpms you wont wear the clutch at an excessive rate.

Heel toe is more advanced technique and very effective for braking and corning, but its best learn a good clean downshift before trying.

Id suggest an advanced driving school to learn how to take full advantage of your manual P5.

I use a combination of heel toe and downshifting all the time during everyday driving and havent noticed any hit to my fuel economy. I drive 65% city & 35% highway and get 30+ mpg, plus Im having fun driving all the time!
 
i coast in neutral when im bout to stop too, i downshit into 2 mostly when turning or taking a curve, i've heel-toed once in my whole life haven't really practiced it much
 
newb here. iv never drove a auto. but i have that sports slapstick tranny in my car, and correct me if im wrong but.....dosent nutrel just.....idel the engin and disengage the gears to the wheels... so how can u move at all in nutril if u get on ice and ur already moving yea.. u can put ur car in nut but if ur stoped nuts not gonna help right? its just gonna make ur car rool whaat ever way is down if ur on a slope.... but if ur already moving when ur on ice u wouldent need to put it in nut to keep from spinning out just... dont step on teh gas...... and idle through it... that way u keep a lil powere to keep moving yet ur not spinnin ur tires and fishtailin around.. correct me if in wrong but thats my theory... seems kind simple if this is what ur taking about but, i dont know its summer here and we ony get ice fore like two months out of the whole year....
 
king said:
correct me if in wrong ....

I'd correct you if you were wrong but i wasn't able to read your Egyptian chickenscratch. (crazy) (cool) (yes) (flash)
 
i don't about anywhere else but coasting with your car in nuetral is illegal in pennsylvania because you can't acclerate if confronted with an emergency situation. and you say "but i can shift quickly into gear and get out of there" doesn't always happen that way. i am not trying to be an arse, just lookin out for my fellow protege enthusiasts
 
It may be illegal but how is anybody going to know. I do agree with you that at times it can be dangerous.
 
MacProtege5 said:
i don't about anywhere else but coasting with your car in nuetral is illegal in pennsylvania because you can't acclerate if confronted with an emergency situation. and you say "but i can shift quickly into gear and get out of there" doesn't always happen that way. i am not trying to be an arse, just lookin out for my fellow protege enthusiasts
I've been to Pittsburgh. Unfortunately not in a P5.
I'll have to agree with you on this one b/c it's so hilly that there's no faster way to react than to have the car in gear.
 
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