AWD or FWD

ajaygarg1980

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Mazda CX 9
Hi All,

I am new entrant to this community. I am thinking of buying Mazda CX-9 Touring AWD. I live in Southern CA. I was wondering what exatly is the difference between AWD and FWD. And also what is the real gas mileage for both AWD and FWD version.

Your help is needed.

Thanks.
 
MPG hit is about 2-3 in city and 1-2 on highway with AWD.

Do you need AWD in southern CA?
Other than on snow, AWD also provides more traction in rain.

Don't forget the extra maintenance and repair cost with AWD down the road
of ownership. Also, some shops (like Costco) requires customers to change
all four tires (even if only one is damaged) together if you have AWD. However,
not every shop does that.

So, your call.

I hate installing snow cables/chains on skiing trips. So, I have AWD,
The extra traction in rain is a bonus to me.

For MPG, short stop-n-go trips kill MPG of heavy vehicles. It is pure physics.
I have seen from 10 to 14 mpg, depending on how cold the weather was (A/C use) and
distances of the trips (and how many stops and lights in between).

My GT AWD returns about 17-18 on my 16-mile mixed driving commute in SF Bay Area.
On highway longer trip, it returns 22-23 @ 70+ mph. At 65mph, 24mpg is possible if you
maintain steady foot on the pedal on flat terrains.
 
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What he said.. I live in the high desert of CA, I opted for FWD. It never rains, snow is an impossibility.. One less thing to break (I tend to keep cars a long time), plus it gets a little better gas milage. I didn't even see many AWD models on the lots around here - all FWD. Total opposite when I was helping my sister shop for a Mazda back in Ohio - all AWD CX-9's and no FWD models on the lots.

Couple times I went to Big Bear, chains were mandatory for AWD vehicles anyways. They were only optional for 4WD + Snow Tires those days.

AWD is great for accelerating in the snow, but it doesn't do anything to improve braking performance or cornering. Thats where traction control comes in, and the FWD model has it too. I'm not even sure if I still lived back in Ohio if I'd opt for AWD - FWD with snow tires always served me well, especially since the snow tires help with braking and cornering and AWD does not.
 
Thank you guys. It looks like I should go with FWD even if in future I have to move out of CA. When it rains, is FWD good enough for traction control?
 
What matters most in the rain are the tires - and the tires that come with the CX-9 are not good. They're almost dead last in ranking on tire rack:

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/surveyresults/surveydisplay.jsp?type=HAS

They come with the Bridgestone Dueler H/L 400. Now, it seems many cars come with terrible tires - my Honda Accord V6 EX had equally poorly ranked tires from the factory. Same with my sister's Chevy. I don't get it.

That said, I've maybe driven in the rain twice over the past year since I had my CX-9 - so I can't really speak to wet traction. I have no problems with the stock tires in dry conditions. The ride in the CX-9 is very smooth/quiet.

I did go for the touring vs. the grand touring because of the whole 18" vs 20" wheels issue. A lot of reviews I read called the 20" ride harsh; I've got a lot of crummy and dirt roads in my area so I opted for the 18". I was more concerned with comfort than performance/looks (the 20s do look good)
 
I was going to buy GT FWD and now I see your post djc6. I am going to test drive both T and GT. I have also read about 20'' wheels issue somewhere.

I am totally confused now.
 
I was going to buy GT FWD and now I see your post djc6. I am going to test drive both T and GT. I have also read about 20'' wheels issue somewhere.

I am totally confused now.

What I miss from GT: Blind Spot Monitoring, and HIDs. Now, the side view mirrors on the CX-9 are huge - properly adjusted, I have no blind spots. My sister has a 2010 Mazda 6 GT with BSM, I didn't really think it was necessary. HIDs - I just think they look cool. The touring headlights are fine.
 
Hi ajaygarg,

I live in Canada where we get lot of snow, so buying an SUV without AWD is not a good idea here. In your case you do not need AWD but just so you know, the AWD on CX9 is an on demand system. Basically it senses the need and then delivers power to the wheel in question. When you are going in a higher gear(again automatic) the vehicle is driving as an FWD. You do lose out on some economy but if fuel economy is a big concern for you then a car might be a better option as over the course of 5 yrs cost of fuel for AWD vs FWD will not make much of a difference for an average person.
Another thing you lose out on AWD vs FWD is the additional features that Mazda puts in AWD. I personally find Blind spot Monitoring to be very handy.
I bought mine on 25th Feb after a lot of research and I went in for GT with NAV & all the bells and whistles, so far enjoying it a lot.
 
I live in Canada where we get lot of snow

I always find it interesting looking at the list of best selling cars in canada:

http://autos.sympatico.ca/pricing-trends/7103/the-best-selling-cars-in-canada-2010/

Not a whole lot of AWD optional cars at the top of the list. The Civic and Mazda3 are best sellers there - no AWD. That makes me think even in the great white north, AWD isn't absolutely necessary. I like going the snow tires route - helps with getting going, but more importantly also helps with stopping and cornering. Traction Control is a godsend in the snow. That said, I'd probably run with AWD and snow tires if I still lived in a snowy climate :)
 
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I bought my fwd 2008 gt not too long ago. have gassed up 3 times since. i have gassed up right at 1/4 tank....178 miles almost on the dot and i'm down to a qtr tank. thats just errand driving between me & the wife, i drive in autostick when its just me. go 4 the gt. got my 08 gt w/every option but automirror in perfect condition for 23k, and I mean perfect condition. I test drove both models before purchasing, actually drive 2 gt models, and thought perhaps the tires were too small and that wheels would get bent easily. The steering wheels had shake with the 20" rims. I think that was just from those models sitting in the lots for months. Mine now has no shake whatsoever, no steering wheel vibration. I highly recommend the gt.
 
Thanks everyone. JSTIWANA: GT FWD has blind spot monitoring syste. Right? I am not sure what additional features you are talking with AWD.

Talking to few individuals locally, everyone is of the opinion that FWD is good enough. If you are in snow, you need snow tires regardless it is AWD or FWD. Correct?
 
I don't know what years apply, but I test drove 2 gt's that did not have bsm. My gt has every option including bsm but not a auto dimming mirror, which shocked me. I have these tires on my gt: http://www.nt850.com/ (nitto nt850) and they have a 50,000 mile guarantee...the rubber compound seems to be just right, not too soft (quick wear but great traction), and not too hard (long wear and no grip in wet/snow condition). I don't think the 50 profile tire is too harsh at all. It's an suv, so it has alot more movement in the suspension than a sedan, so a sedan with 50 profile tires will feel alot harsher because there is less movement in the suspension and less weight in a sedan to absorb potholes/etc. ajay, if you're going to make a big purchase, make sure you test drive a touring and at least one gt. Every cx-9 I test drove shook like a jackhammer when I pressed the brake pedal. Fortunately, mine with 32k miles just has the lightest of vibration, but it does seem that cx-9's need good aftermarket rotors to eliminate all pedal vibration. Don't let it scare you off.
 
How is the ride in AWD vs FWD. Can anyone see the difference. Which ride is smoother. In the long run, which will require high maintenance: AWD or FWD.
 
With AWD, in addition to the drive axles in the front, you have a driveshaft coming from the trans in the front of the car, going to a differential/transfer case, with 2 drive axles in the back, so down the road, you have to worry about a rear transfer case/differential maintenance, axle shafts/cv joints/etc, more weight for all of this means less gas mileage, slightly slower acceleration, and more costs down the road when the stuff breaks in 10 years. My personal opinion on how it detracts: tire wear will be all over the place, and almost impossible to try and keep up with making sure all 4 tires are rotated properly all the time to keep the same tread depth. Plus, if you are going around a corner, and let's say you lose control and the back end swings out, with awd, the rear wheels being driven will only cause further back end swing than fwd. Now supposedly the computer can sense which wheel of the 4 is slipping and applies power to the wheel with less slip. I don't see any advantage to awd, unless you live in a hilly area in the north half of the u.s. and the roads become snow covered more than several times a winter. Keep in mind, when trying to slow down, all wheel drive does nothing for you, you rely only on your brakes, so the only thing awd is for is acceleration on slippery surfaces so your tires dont spin. But think about it, with front wheel drive, if your tires spin, you do NOT lose control, because front tires spinning do not cause a rear end to slide sideways.... rear tires losing traction cause a rear end to slide sideways, so I want nothing to do with applying any power to rear wheels at any time. There is no noticeable noise difference inside the cabin, that I can tell between fwd and awd.
 
I don't know what years apply, but I test drove 2 gt's that did not have bsm.

When I was looking last year and bought my 2010, BSM was a $200 option on the GT's. It seems for the 2011 model BSM is standard (according to Mazda's website).
 
I always find it interesting looking at the list of best selling cars in canada:

http://autos.sympatico.ca/pricing-trends/7103/the-best-selling-cars-in-canada-2010/

Not a whole lot of AWD optional cars at the top of the list. The Civic and Mazda3 are best sellers there - no AWD. That makes me think even in the great white north, AWD isn't absolutely necessary. I like going the snow tires route - helps with getting going, but more importantly also helps with stopping and cornering. Traction Control is a godsend in the snow. That said, I'd probably run with AWD and snow tires if I still lived in a snowy climate :)

Let me give you the correct figures

http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2010/08/best-selling-cars-in-canada-2010-year.html

In canada by far Ford F 150 sells the most. Pickups sell more than small cars every year for the past 10-15 years. Yes people buy lot of small cars but mainly in Vancouver and Toronto which get less snow. Any how it is every one's personal situation. For me the turning point was when my car skidded off the road. Within a month I bought an SUV. SUV with winter tires does wonders here in Alberta.

Back to the original post, in my opinion buying an SUV without AWD is like walking on a beach with socks on.

Just my 2cents
 
Well thank you everyone. I am going to place the order for Touring FWD with bose/moonroof package. Dealer is offering me $31,667 (before tax) after lot of negotiation. Is this a good price?
 
Well thank you everyone. I am going to place the order for Touring FWD with bose/moonroof package. Dealer is offering me $31,667 (before tax) after lot of negotiation. Is this a good price?

Good price? Not really, it's an ok price. The invoice on that car is $31,496 and you're paying above invoice. I just purchased a 2011 Mazda CX-9 GT AWD for $1000 under invoice and there were only two AWD in the state and they had to drive 200 miles to another dealer to get one of the two for me. You're not getting ripped off by any means but it's not a spectacular deal.
 
Well thank you everyone. I am going to place the order for Touring FWD with bose/moonroof package. Dealer is offering me $31,667 (before tax) after lot of negotiation. Is this a good price?

I paid $31,500 (before tax) in Southern California for a 2010 FWD Touring w/Bose & Moonroof, power lift gate, rear backup camera in January 2010. I also got 0% financing for 60 months, probably could have gotten a little better price if I paid cash or arranged my own financing. They were originally trying to sell it for $1500 ABOVE MSRP.
 
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