Automatic "Sports Shifter"

noway868

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so, i got my car with the "training wheel stick-shift" and have been practicing with it... my question is whether i'll get better or worse gas mileage using the sports shift rather than the normal automatic? the reason i ask is because i know a manual trans usually gives you better gas mileage, so i'm wondering how mine will compare. thanks.
 
You'll only get better gas mileage if you consistently shift sooner in the rpm range than what the automatic would shift at.
 
Actually the reason you get better gas milage in a manual transmission is because there is a direct physical connection between the engine and the drive wheels. In an automatic, the torque converter is a liquid connection between the engine and wheels. The down side is that the torque converter will slip when accelerating. (this is why you can stop in gear with out killing the engine)

The gas milage of the car will suffer because of the slipage of the torque converter. The converters are getting better and better. They can now lockup which allows a direct connection.

So to answer your original question, the "training wheel stick-shift" is basically a automatic but you tell it when to shift instead of a computer telling it.

So your would compare more to the auto then the stick.

Tim
 
Im pretty sure that the reason for better mileage on the manual is because of the 5th gear. The auto only has 4. Higher gears at lower RPM gives bette mileage.
 
They are 4 different gears though...Not the same as the first 4 gears in a manual car.

Next time you are in a automatic car note the RPM at 60 mph and then note the RPM at 60 mph in a manual car. The manual will be alot HIGHER.

Its the torque converter that kills the gas milage.

Tim
 
Dosent that depend what gear you are in? and the lower RPMs gve you better mileage... trust me....

by teh way im not trying to diss you, im just trying to explain... maybe the tourque converter has something to do with it, but the rpms of your engine have are the bigger reason for the difference... this is why 3 speed automatics have worse mileage that 4 speed automatics. Because at a higher speed, you dont have the extra gear to go to, thus your engine is revving at higher rpms.
 
Sae goes for overdrive on automatics.... if overdrive is OFF (which means one less gear) your car is at higher rpms and WORSE mileage.
 
I agree in general about the RPM thing...

So if you agree that a manual Protege 5 in final (5th) gear at 60 mph turns a higher RPM than an auto protege 5 in final gear at 60mph. The how do explain the slightly better gas milage the Manual gets. The answer is simple, its the torque converter.

A torque converter is basically the clutch of an automatic and is best illustrated by imaging 2 fans pointing at eachother. If one fan is turned on, it will make the other fan spin. This is how a torque converter works except the Fans are turbines of a sort and the air is automatic transmission fluid.

The worse gas milage comes from the fact that the power is not directly linked from the first fan to the second fan and it takes a while for the second fan to come up to the speed of the first.

Watch Popular hot rodding TV on sunday mornings on TNN, they have the best explanations of automobile systems.

Anyway, we are talking about 1 Mile per gallon in the P5!!!

So noway868, to answer your question. Drive it how ever you want, it isn't really going to be that much of a difference. What will be the real difference is how heavy your feet are.

Tim
 
trobbins is right. Adding a fourth gear to a three-speed automatic is different than comparing a five-speed manual to a four-speed automatic. The difference is not one gear added to the top; you're changing all the gear ratios and inserting an extra gear somewhere in the middle. In top gear the manual car will rev roughly the same if not a bit higher. The torque converter is a drag on the engine's power that the manual car doesn't have, hence the small fuel economy difference. Even when a car is available with a five-speed automatic as well as a five-speed manual, the automatic still uses more gas.
 
Auto vs. Manual

Interesting discussion. This is also the reason that manual transmissions usually accelerate more quickly than automatics. There is more parasitic loss of power between the crank shaft and the drive wheels because of the torque converter... so more power makes it to the ground in a manual tranny.

The extra gears in a manual (excluding 5-speed autos, of course) also allow the engine to operate at it's power peak more often.

Many automatics also shift long before red-line, so you potentially lose some top-end acceleration before it shifts.

Automatics usually weigh slightly more than manual trannys in the same car... and weight cost acceleration and fuel economy, all else being equal.

The sport shift on the Protege is a regular torque-converter equipped automatic. It's not like the Ferrari F1 or Alfa Romeo Seleshift systems, which are actually manual trannies with computer controlled clutches. Thus, you have the disadvantages of an automatic, but gain a bit more feeling of control over the transmission compared to a "regular" automatic.

The shifter on the new Protege5 also looks trick with the leather two-tone knob and the gated shift pattern... which is probably it's biggest advantage.

Years ago, I drove a Porsche 911 with the Tiptronic transmission, which operates just like the new Sport Shift. Frankly, I thought it was a pretty lame tranny for a car like the 911... which fewer people probably drove in traffic like they do the Protege5.

There have been other variations on this theme over the years. Oldsmobile offered a funky tranny on their 442 Cutlass in the early 1980s. It had three shift levers, if I remember correctly. The idea was that one would move all three levers back for drag racing and shift each one individually when it came time to shift. It looked sorta cool (in an early 1980s General Motors sort of way), but probably offered little advantage over just putting it in "D."

The Alfa Romeo Seleshift is pretty cool. It can be operated just like an automatic by pushing a button, putting it into "City" mode. It can be shifted like a manual using either the up/down shifter in the center console or two levers on the back of the steering wheel (like the Ferrari). The coolest thing is the sound. The car double clutches and blips the throttle just like a good race-car driver. I swear it sounds like Mario Andretti is driving the car at a track. It feels awesome and probably is faster than an average driver with a regular manual transmission. It doesn't operate quite as smoothly as a regular automatic in city mode, though, and tends to buck and shift roughly when driven in light-throttle conditions.

I'm still hoping I can buy an Alfa 147 here in the states some day... what a beautiful car!
 
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