speedy gonzales
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- Mazdaspeed proteg
I run MS1 on my MSP but I only control the fuel for now.It work great and no more fuel cut.If you have question I can try to help you but my english is not perfect.
Gavin clued me in that the 1987 Samurai alternator can be made to bolt up to the Mazda motors and it's 4 lbs lighter than the stock alternator. I think Kevin runs drugs or something. He is never at home and when you call him it always seems like he is running around trying not to get shot at.
I'm sure any info you have will be helpful. Can you post some of the parameters you are using for fuel settings. I'm mostly curious about the injector pulse/duration and start-up stuff.
awesome... i was looking for a thread like this... so as of now, most of you guys running MS are using it as a piggy back??
PM or reply me... wait... actually reply here so that everyone can see the links you guys are talking about for online help... if youre allowed... what do you guys think it will work with atomatics/SportAT??
PM or reply me... wait... actually reply here so that everyone can see the links you guys are talking about for online help... if youre allowed... what do you guys think it will work with atomatics/SportAT??
Velocifero
Wham Bam thank you Ma'am
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- VRM MS6, Sunlight Silver MSP
Also there is a Kia altenator that is self regulating and shares the same housing as ours.
You pretty much are stuck with it being a piggy back until you get around the altenator since it is ECU controlled. I am going to controlling fuel, spark and timing. As well as a couple of goodies like launch control and electronic boost.
What are the advantages of having the MS or any standalone for that matter control the a/c, alternator, speedo, etc?
Is it not easier to just have the stock ecu run these things, and doesnt the stock ecu do a pretty good job at it?
Velocifero
Wham Bam thank you Ma'am
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- VRM MS6, Sunlight Silver MSP
well yeah but the stock computer has a tendancy to learn around piggy backs. Standalone just gives you freedom on every level.
no, i understand how the ecu learns around the piggy backs. however, many people run standalone systems (i.e. haltech, microtech, etc.) in parallel with the stock ecu. the after market ecu takes complete control of the fuel and ignition timing leaving the alternator, a/c, gauges, etc. under the control of the stock ecu. the stock ecu cannot alter the fuel or timing, so it can not alter the tune.
i guess what i am getting at is, what is the point of having the aftermarket ecu's (MS, haltech, microtech) take complete control of every component of the car, especially since the alternator sounds like it is a PITA?
From experiences i have read, running the standalone ecu's in parallel works well while eliminating all of the frustration and difficulties associated with the alternator and other basic functions.
The ECU doesn't have the ability to alter the tune in open loop.
But in closed loop, the ECU's tune will change by using most of the sensors.(ie. not running off a preset map/tune)
That's the biggest problem with piggybacks.
But in closed loop, the ECU's tune will change by using most of the sensors.(ie. not running off a preset map/tune)
That's the biggest problem with piggybacks.
i know the ecu alters the tune using a piggy back.
but running a standalone in parallel (controlling the fuel and timing) prevents the stock ecu from correcting anything closed loop. The stock ecu is cut out of the fuel and ignition control.
Again, the question is why would anyone want to go through the hassle to have 100 percent control over every function of the car when the stock ecu does a great job doing it?
Again, with the standalone system controlling the fuel and ignition, the stock ecu will not alter anything.
Velocifero - how you doing w/ MS , is it working ?
I'm gonna buy mine this week , MSII - PCB V3
Did you get the koncksense for that as well , what about the EGT ??
LMK
Velocifero
Wham Bam thank you Ma'am
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- VRM MS6, Sunlight Silver MSP
I am not installed yet. My harness builder still has it and we are just waiting for a chance to get together to install. No egt and I was under the impression i could use stock KS
You wouldn't....There is no point.
And Your correct..a Full Stand alone Parallelled with the Stock ECU doing the Alternator,idle and Tach Functions is the best bet and will have no effect on the Tunability of the car..nor can it learn around parameters it can no longer control.
Velocifero
Wham Bam thank you Ma'am
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- VRM MS6, Sunlight Silver MSP
Velocifero - can you post your current map , any thing you can give me as reference ??
I'm getting my unit this friday and I'm trying to create a map as i'm writing this msg.
Let's start sharing and getting to master MS faster
PM me your email for now, I have it there and it'd be easiest just to forward it to you until I get mine up and running. I have a couple, what kind of mods and power are we looking at?
would you mind taking pics of the harness or make a wiring diagram ?
I wouldn't call it Epic. It's still recoverable and we'll work though it. Growing pains....
