anybody race a nissan spec v in here?
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pfft fine. i was here first! how can i b**** about a car i don't have
didn't have to be so hasty >:\ my god, u meanie!@#$@#$
i don't have any friends on this forum anymore, and by the sound of it you don't really sound like anyone i'd want to be friends with. am i taking this all too seriously? sounds like you're having one of those bad days. doesn't mean u gotta thrash me.
didn't have to be so hasty >:\ my god, u meanie!@#$@#$
i don't have any friends on this forum anymore, and by the sound of it you don't really sound like anyone i'd want to be friends with. am i taking this all too seriously? sounds like you're having one of those bad days. doesn't mean u gotta thrash me.
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Lawerence said:
Yes, while I agree that suspension setup is important, it's hard to see that the MSP is still only slightly better (of course with very good drivers in both cars) to the spec v. SSC's best Slalom for the Spec is 70.2mph while the MSP is 70.3mph and the Lat grip Spec V is .88g and the MSP is .89g
But I also agree, that in the case of the MSP driver skill isn't as important because it'll be a much easier to drive. Because it seems the Spec V is more picky on the way you drive it. But the numbers above are clear proof the spec with a driver that knows how to drive his car can hang with the msp for the most point, and the msp has 140 tires while the spec has 280.
I know that the spec can handle well, because my friend who also owns a spec, can make his car stick no matter what, I haven't driven my car, and haven't learned it very well, so I am still only able to do it some of the time.
So I figure the MSP is easier to drive than the spec, and it shows, the spec is harder to drive, because if you don't drive it right, it'll tip and tobble, but if you drive it right, it'll stick.
the MSP seems to be like the celica, no matter how bad you drive, it'll still stick.
[EDIT]Ah, the posting works again, I saw my old posts
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Daemos said:
Yes, while I agree that suspension setup is important, it's hard to see that the MSP is still only slightly better (of course with very good drivers in both cars) to the spec v. SSC's best Slalom for the Spec is 70.2mph while the MSP is 70.3mph and the Lat grip Spec V is .88g and the MSP is .89g
But I also agree, that in the case of the MSP driver skill isn't as important because it'll be a much easier to drive. Because it seems the Spec V is more picky on the way you drive it. But the numbers above are clear proof the spec with a driver that knows how to drive his car can hang with the msp for the most point, and the msp has 140 tires while the spec has 280.
I know that the spec can handle well, because my friend who also owns a spec, can make his car stick no matter what, I haven't driven my car, and haven't learned it very well, so I am still only able to do it some of the time.
So I figure the MSP is easier to drive than the spec, and it shows, the spec is harder to drive, because if you don't drive it right, it'll tip and tobble, but if you drive it right, it'll stick.
the MSP seems to be like the celica, no matter how bad you drive, it'll still stick.
[EDIT]Ah, the posting works again, I saw my old posts
In addition to my Mazdaspeed, I also own a Celica, and the two dont even compare in handling. The Mazdaspeed feels so much stiffer and seems to stick to the road better. True the Celica can be tossed around, but the Mazdaspeed should be in another catagory.
*gets out flame-retardant suit*SpicyMSP said:
I only ment that in the sence that, even if you drive stupidly, the Celica GTS (new style) will still let you handle at it's best, because of it's ease to drive like the MSP.
Whearas the Spec V, you have to KNOW how to drive the car to make it do what you want to do.
so to make it short, the MSP for handling is more "user-friendly" than the Spec in terms of ease to drive it to it's potential, and ride quality
krillin said:funny, the way i interpreted what you said was that msp's are for newbs and spec-v's are for experienced drivers? whateva!
don't worry i'm just kidding!@#$@%
no...I'm just saying, the msp's suspension was probally designed better in mind, so a broader range of people could acctually feel a diffrence, while in a spec v, unless if you know how to drive the car, it hardly feels diffrent than the base ser.umm...I hope that made sense
it just means, even though the spec v has the potential, it takes hard work to get it, and the MSP is much better thought out in the suspension area, since it's easier to get it's potential.
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syn_lube_nut
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Guys, guys, guys! There is actually a REASON why Nissan made the SpecV have the suspension that it does-the bean counters gave them NO choice! The rear suspension that SpecV has, is due to cost-cutting measures used by Nissan on, I believe, the B13 (the chassis code may be wrong but, its the 95-up model). This is where the cost-cutting measurers started as Nissan HAD to cut some costs, simply due to lagging sales, and then tried to claim that the beam axle was the next best thing since the wishbone suspension.
The same thing has happened to Honda witht he Civic. Yeah, I know almost everyone on here LOVES to bash it because most of the drivers that own them but, it DID have an independent wish-bone suspension, that was better than the SE-R's current iteration. As well as the Protege's, IMHO. And although on the skidpad, if one compared a wishbone susp. car vs. a beam axle susp., the wishbone would not have a large advantage over the beam. The reason is that a skidpad is as smooth as glass. In fact, even the Mustang's live rear axle can put out great numbers on a skid pad because the tarmac is so smooth. But, once the pavement gets bumpy, watch out! This is where a wishbone suspension shines. It allows great stability where others lack.
This is why the SpecV is so hard to drive on NORMAL roads at times but, so is the Protege'5 AND the MP3. I used to own an 99' Si(R) and although my current Pro5 does handle allot better, it does not do nearly as well on bumpy roads. Where the wishbone did not allow the steering to become upset the Pro5's suspension does. The same is true for the SpecV, its just a little worse.
The same thing has happened to Honda witht he Civic. Yeah, I know almost everyone on here LOVES to bash it because most of the drivers that own them but, it DID have an independent wish-bone suspension, that was better than the SE-R's current iteration. As well as the Protege's, IMHO. And although on the skidpad, if one compared a wishbone susp. car vs. a beam axle susp., the wishbone would not have a large advantage over the beam. The reason is that a skidpad is as smooth as glass. In fact, even the Mustang's live rear axle can put out great numbers on a skid pad because the tarmac is so smooth. But, once the pavement gets bumpy, watch out! This is where a wishbone suspension shines. It allows great stability where others lack.
This is why the SpecV is so hard to drive on NORMAL roads at times but, so is the Protege'5 AND the MP3. I used to own an 99' Si(R) and although my current Pro5 does handle allot better, it does not do nearly as well on bumpy roads. Where the wishbone did not allow the steering to become upset the Pro5's suspension does. The same is true for the SpecV, its just a little worse.
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