amp questions.

mobomelter

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i recently came into posession of 2 8-inch audiobahn subs and a box. now i'm trying to get decent sound out of them and i was wondering if this amp would give me the sound i'm looking for. thanks in advance.
 
What model subs are they, how much RMS power are they rated for, and what impedence are they?
 
theres where i run into a problem. i only know they are audiobahns and are 8-inchs. i don't have any paper work from them.

EDIT: What i was trying to avoid is taking the subs out of the box. I beileve the part numbers and whatnot would be on the back of the sub so it doesn't look like i have a choice.
 
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Yeah, looks like you'll need to take them out of the box. They should have some sort of way to determine impedance, either by the model number, or labeled outright. If by some off chance they don't have any way to find out, just take a meter and measure the resistance across the coil. An 8 ohm sub will measure about 7 ohms on the meter (give or take). A 4 ohm sub will measure 3 ohms, give or take. The DC resistance is usually lower than the AC impedance.

The amp you choose will depend on the coils of the subs. Sub coils can be single coil 8 ohm, single coil 4 ohm, DVC (dual voice coil) at 2 ohms each, DVC at 4 ohms each, etc. Once you find out if each sub is a single coil or DVC, and what the impedance of each coil is, let us know and we can suggest an amp.

No matter what amp you get, you really need to get a box that is designed for those subs. A properly tuned box can make a huge difference in how those subs sound. However, don't expect huge low-end out of 8" subs - they will tend to be "punchy". If you like a lot of loud, deep bass, get a bigger sub (12"). Otherwise, those 8's should do nicely.

Once you get the sub specs, you can use a box design program like WinISD to figure out the optimum box for those speakers, the sound you want, and the space you have. Or, post the TS parameters and I (or someone else) can calculate the box size values.
 
i found out they are the alum10n from audiobahn. stats are as followed from the audiobahn website.

Size: 10"
Magnet Weight: 120oz
Power Handling: 800 rms
Frequency Response: 20hz - 500hz
Effciency: 95.6db
Voice Coil: 3" Dual 6 Ohm
Operation: 3 or 12 ohm
Mounting Depth: 5"
Hole Cutout: 9 3/4"
Outer Diameter: 10 7/8"

I'm trying to find an amp that isn't too expensive so ebay is probably the ticket. thanks for your help!
 
1600w RMS for a pair of 8" subwoofers? umm, ok. Good luck finding a budget amp for those.
 
chuyler1 said:
1600w RMS for a pair of 8" subwoofers? umm, ok. Good luck finding a budget amp for those.
Thats audiobahn RMS.

If I hooked one of those up to a real 1600 watt rms amp, the cone would hit you in the head on its way to mach 4.


Mobo, becuase of there incredibly BS rating schemes at audiobahn, you are best off looking for a 1600 watt rms audio bahn amp that is mono amp and is 1 ohm stable. Since audiobahn is also the worst ***** on the planet, you can buy them for dirt cheap all over the net.

I assume this is what you have?
http://www.caraudiodeals.com/product_info.php?products_id=177

Heres an option for an amp:
http://www.thezeb.com/p-Audiobahn-Class-D-A12001DT-100069.htm
 
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Yeah, i figured as much...although i'm sure they would work great with a 1600w audiobahn amp. 95.6db efficiency? yeah right.
 
We both know that sub could handle a real 800 watts rms but it likely needs that much to hit X-Max do to itsincredibly bad motor structure design.

Being an $90 sub, it would be better used with about 200 watts rms.
 
And, being DVC 6 ohms, the choices of amps is a little more confusing. For typical setups, you'd wire both subs with either all coils in parallel for a 1.5ohm total load, or the coils on each sub wired in series (12ohms) and that in parallel with the other sub wired the same way for a total of 6 ohms. So, you have to find an amp that will put out the power you want at 1.5ohms or 6ohms. The Audiobahn A12001DT or A18001DT would probably be a good match since the wattage claims on both the subs and amp are inflated. Personally, I'd stick with about 800w total of real honest rms power.
 
They goes the keeping it cheap thing. Although the Jl 250/1 is all those subs realisticly need. Perhaps a 500/1 would be fun to watch.
 
ok after reading all your posts i'm still a tad bit confused (i also haven't slept in awhile so that could be part of it.) do i really need to run full power through the subs? or would i be ok running a little less than full power? remember i'm trying to keep it cheap so ANY brand amp will be ok.

EDIT: Ok i've decided that dealing with 2 subs is too much of a pain in my ass. Besides i rather like trunk space. What kind of power would you suggest running through just 1 of those subs?

EDIT 2: Well from what i can tell you guys think i should get an audiobahn amp rated at 800watts rms. since i only want to power one sub will this fit the ticket?
 
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thats the thing i'm trying to stay cheap. i'd like to spend at the most 200. thats why i'm only going to hook up 1 sub for now.
 
mobomelter said:
ok after reading all your posts i'm still a tad bit confused (i also haven't slept in awhile so that could be part of it.) do i really need to run full power through the subs? or would i be ok running a little less than full power? remember i'm trying to keep it cheap so ANY brand amp will be ok.

No, you don't need to run full power, but running too low power could damage the subs just as easily as running too much power. It is easier just to get an amp that has the output you need at the impedance you need.


mobomelter said:
EDIT: Ok i've decided that dealing with 2 subs is too much of a pain in my ass. Besides i rather like trunk space. What kind of power would you suggest running through just 1 of those subs?

EDIT 2: Well from what i can tell you guys think i should get an audiobahn amp rated at 800watts rms. since i only want to power one sub will this fit the ticket?

The amp in your link is rated 400w at 4Ω mono and 800w at 2Ω mono. Since your sub is 3Ω (both coils wired in parallel), the output will be about 600w. This should still be a decent match.

BTW: That amp uses two 30A fuses, which according to my calculations outputs only about 560wrms max in an ideal world. So, the real output at 3Ω will be more like 400-450wrms. This is still OK since the sub is probably overrated as well.
 
Just a suggestion id look into hifonics amps if i were you, usually they overrate their power but it is not in a way like audiobahn does, if you go hifonics though, get the brutus amp to pus them, their zeus series isnt all that great, but i mean that will work too if it is in the buidget you are looking for look on ebay for these amps as well, you can get a new one for around 200 maybe a little less, and what kind of speakers are u using, im assuming the audiobahn alums, lol i seen something about wiring them down to 3 ohms, and i know those dual 6ohm coils, the hifonics amps i think some are .5 ohm stable, and some are 2 ohm stable, make sure you look at that too
 
The amp in your link is rated 400w at 4Ω mono and 800w at 2Ω mono. Since your sub is 3Ω (both coils wired in parallel), the output will be about 600w. This should still be a decent match.
You will only get the 3Ω load if you use both subs. These are 8" subs and they shouldn't take up too much space in your trunk. I don't know what the recommended box size is but a sealed enclosure for a pair of average 8" subwoofers is only about .6 to .8cuft. That's about the size of a box for a single 10" subwoofer.

Brian, your power calculations are wrong...
If an amp puts out 800w at 2Ω and 400 at 4Ω...
watts = voltage^2 / impedence
800 = V^2 / 2
V = 40

W = 40^2 / 3
W = 533

So if the amp was rated properly, your pair of 8" subwoofers would receive 533w from that amp, or 266w each. This is close to what I am sending my 8" Eclipse subs, and they hit pretty damn hard.
 
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