Am I crazy for thinking of this? Look inside to find out why..

[CRG Racer24]

So, I have coilover's on my car right now, they are K-Sports and I love them. Fantastic Coilovers for the price, and a great DD coilover. But, I want a coilover more track oriented, meaning the dampers are valved properly, consistent performance out of the shock, bit stiffer spring rates to fit the wheel/tire setup I want. Now I just saw in the TriPoint Engineering thread that the Race Valved, B-Spec Bilstein's are not available for sale individually. You have to buy the kit to get them, and I'm not awash in cash.

So, I've been looking around for some quality coils. Then, I came upon this: http://grassrootsmotorsports.com/pr...sta/a-grade-coil-overs-for-our-b-spec-fiesta/ and http://www.fordracingparts.com/parts/part_details.asp?PartKeyField=22427

Looking at the pics, and going by my awful memory of installing my coils, looks pretty much the same to me, in the sense that both suspension setups look the same, and suspension setups between the 2 are VERY similar. Would I be crazy in thinking of getting those Eibach's?

The focus of my car's "build philosophy" is changing drastically. Since I'm not trading the car in, I really wanna go all out on this car and make it perform waayyy out of it's league/max performance possible.

Everyone put on your thinking caps! Tell me why it will, or why it won't work. Have at 'er ladies and gentlemen..

 

[Ryno666]

Do it!

 

[mykflo]

I thought I remember reading somewhere that they are different in some way... not trying to burst your bubble just want you to be sure before you drop cash... by the way.. any problems with your sport's? Even minimal I'd like to know as I'm saving for them. I.'ll try and find what I read regarding the ford suspension.

 

[CRG Racer24]

No bursting my bubble.. I want input is all. Though, if people just say: "No it doesn't work.. why bother.. It's a Mazda not a Ford", I just blow it off.. in through one ear, out the other. I'm looking for intelligent, relevant, necessary comments. Not saying it anyone has said that as of yet, but that's the general idea of this.

Btw, none at all. My K-Sports are a very comfortable, and pretty good handling coilover.

 

[Sarein]

Looked at this a while back.
Pretty sure they would fit. Think it was FK I ended up phoning before my plans changed.
Think it's just missing a bracket or it's at the wrong angle or something for either the abs sensor or brake line.

Looking through the pictures the holes look to be spot on. Uses stock top so wouldn't be a problem there.
Could be an expencive test. Any chance of getting in touch with the site to find out the measurements? Could then cross them with your standard shocks while there off the car.

 

[mykflo]

not sure how to post a link but follow the one below if possible. That is what i had read before but it is more in reference to the front springs.


http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-123808637.html

 

[CRG Racer24]

So far, with what I saw/remember seeing, I'm leaning towards that it is possible to do this. Any other input from anyone is appreciated.

 

[zps2004]

The mounts for the suspension should be the same so I would say it should fit. Especially since some companies have the same part number for the 2 and the Fiesta.

 

[Jond63]

Is the Mazdaspeed suspension kit available separate from the complete B-Spec kit?

 

[Greensleeper]

Pick some STD R3.

I have those, and they are:

- Better made than the Ksport: Overall quality of each component is better. Ksport are a terrific bang for the buck, don't get me wrong, but STD's are better made.
- Better valving than the Ksport.
- ACTUAL FRONT CAMBER PLATES!!!!
- Stiffer standard spring rates in front (I noted that the Ksport have a tendency to 'fall off' in front, and that problem is solved with the STD's).
- Damping ajustable from the exterior of the car at the rear (knob on the shock): No need to cut inner pannels.

Check those out, I'm not whorin STD's name, but they are very dominant at touring, drift and rally here in Canada:

http://standardsuspension.com/

https://www.facebook.com/StandardSuspension

R1: You keep your OEM top-plates
R3: Front camber plates
R7TA: Same as R3 but with better oil (withstand more than 30 minutes of non-stop track pounding without deterioration of damping)

 

[CorkSport]

Is the Mazdaspeed suspension kit available separate from the complete B-Spec kit?

You can purchase all of the parts they offer separately.

-Derrick

 

[CRG Racer24]

You can purchase all of the parts they offer separately.

-Derrick

Where?

Pick some STD R3.

I have those, and they are:

- Better made than the Ksport: Overall quality of each component is better. Ksport are a terrific bang for the buck, don't get me wrong, but STD's are better made.
- Better valving than the Ksport.
- ACTUAL FRONT CAMBER PLATES!!!!
- Stiffer standard spring rates in front (I noted that the Ksport have a tendency to 'fall off' in front, and that problem is solved with the STD's).
- Damping ajustable from the exterior of the car at the rear (knob on the shock): No need to cut inner pannels.

Check those out, I'm not whorin STD's name, but they are very dominant at touring, drift and rally here in Canada:

http://standardsuspension.com/

https://www.facebook.com/StandardSuspension

R1: You keep your OEM top-plates
R3: Front camber plates
R7TA: Same as R3 but with better oil (withstand more than 30 minutes of non-stop track pounding without deterioration of damping)

Those look nice, but I'm most likely gonna stick to the Eibach's.

 

[Max Archer]

Call Dublin Mazda in California and see if there's any chance they can ship you the B-Spec suspension stuff. I talked to the owner when I was at an event there a few months ago, and he specifically told me that they could order the components of the kit individually.

 

[zps2004]

When it comes to the standard suspension, what do you mean that the springs fall off? Springs don't fall off, dampers will, but it is not that common now a days with pressurized shocks and synthetic fluids.

What are the spring rates?

Also you mention better valving. Do you have a dyno plot?

How much do they cost?

I am not saying that they are automatically bad, but I have yet to see any evidence of their performance, then again I am a suspension nerd. There isn't many options in the middle price damper market I would actually buy, but I am open to looking into new things.

 

[Greensleeper]

When it comes to the standard suspension, what do you mean that the springs fall off? Springs don't fall off, dampers will, but it is not that common now a days with pressurized shocks and synthetic fluids.

You must have read me wrong: With the Kport's, the front end seems to dive at initial turn-in. Maybe it's the 5kg rates, maybe it's the shock response, I don't know. Of all the coilovers I had (KW V3, custom JIC FLT-TAR, custom Tein Flex, ...), they are the only one's that did that. Remind me of my Neuspeed Sport / Tokico HP combo I had back in the days on my EF.


What are the spring rates?

6/3, monotubes. All STD are monotubes. Higher spec models are inverted.


Also you mention better valving. Do you have a dyno plot?

Email Jean-Alex at ja@stdsuspension.com. I'm sure he can help you with that. Unfortunatly I don't have access to a independant shock dyno.


How much do they cost?

R1: OEM top plates; 1330CDN, upgraded adj. anti-roll bar links included.
R3: Front camber-plates with pillow-ball mounts; 1490CDN, upgraded adj. anti-roll bar links included.
I'm not a vendor, so please contact STD to have more info. Those are MSRP's.


I am not saying that they are automatically bad, but I have yet to see any evidence of their performance, then again I am a suspension nerd. There isn't many options in the middle price damper market I would actually buy, but I am open to looking into new things.

I'm also a chassis guy, since my intro at compact cars in 97 (God i'm old at 33 lol). All the cars I had was mainly 'handling' cars with little to no power, my most powerful being my previous ride, a 08 NC Miata. I had 1 EF Civic, 2 BJ Proteg, the NC Miata and my current 2. All those cars was equipped with either upgraded springs/shocks, GC sleeves/shocks, off-the-shelf coilovers, custom rated/valved coilovers, and coilovers with either OEM or pillow-balls and even then pillows with or without camber-plates. Complement all that with sways, sherical-ling dj. anti-roll bar links, reinforcements, light wheels with DOT-R comp's, brakes (my last BJ was sporting a full 4 disks/5 bolts conversion so crazy I would have to fill a complete page to describe)) all my rides were little G-machines.

All that to say that I STD's are great, plus they have podium finishes and major championships to brag about here in Canada, plus the service is awesome. Not to mention that some teams are running R1 and R3 models with succes in competition... and they are STD entry-level offerings.