450 Fwhp?
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deckedoutmp5
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LinuxRacr said:
god, i have a 700 whp 49 ford pro street truck (street legal) ive had to drive that in the rain before... OMFG never again, every, i cant even pull out of the car wash.
Be for I fully gutted my civic back in the day I drove it on the street a couple times. The DFI had just been tuned by Jobe @ Turbo People. It was hit'in 380whp Supercharged, with a 4 puck clutch. It was murder just trying to drive it around the block. You couldn't even accelerate with out reving the thing to 5 grand. That was my experience with 380whp in a front diver. 
Dont get me wrong, it was sooo fun!
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Spoolin's MP3 did numbers like this long before now on pump gas
laserbluemp5 said:
Spoolin's MP3 did numbers like this long before now on pump gas
deckedoutmp5
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yeah but 250 and below is pointless and weak, and we are past those numbers, we are now reliabley getting into 300 + hp. its time we stop dicking around and really get some damn HP goin. this 10 psi is bad. hell 5 psi i cant tell i have boost, 10 psi is like, wow look at me i "kinda" get pulled in my seat.
20 soon! WOO HOOOOOO
Captain KRM P5 said:Spoolin's MP3 did numbers like this long before now on pump gas
yeah but 250 and below is pointless and weak, and we are past those numbers, we are now reliabley getting into 300 + hp. its time we stop dicking around and really get some damn HP goin. this 10 psi is bad. hell 5 psi i cant tell i have boost, 10 psi is like, wow look at me i "kinda" get pulled in my seat.
20 soon! WOO HOOOOOO
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how would you call breaking your transmission at what, 15 psi, reliable or safe? no offense, fuel management or not, i'd like to see how long your stock internals hold up in that 300 + range. the stock rods and pistons in this engine are weak. I hope you're going forged when you shoot for 20 psi.
deckedoutmp5 said:
how would you call breaking your transmission at what, 15 psi, reliable or safe? no offense, fuel management or not, i'd like to see how long your stock internals hold up in that 300 + range. the stock rods and pistons in this engine are weak. I hope you're going forged when you shoot for 20 psi.- :
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paulmp3 said:
that would more than likely be someone like Spoolin or WShade. I find it, at least mildly so, arrogant to assume that the platform itself can handle over 300 horsepower on stock anything. People have been posting broken manual and automatic trannies since the day I started posting here over a year and a half ago. Not just from "dropping the clutch" but from daily driving on stock non modified setups. Mazda Motorsports has stated they wouldn't push the engine or transmission beyond 250 hp. Mazda themselves may have switched to a different manufacturing process in 99 for their internals, I believe Bill from FP said, which accounts for not nearly as strong rods as we'd like. Mine bent at around 10 psi. Mazdaspeed even decided to go with thicker axles on the MSP even at that small of a power jump.
I think trying to push Evo killing power on stock stuff is russian roulette. Thicker axles, beefier transmission, stronger clutch, auxilliary fuel pump, motor mounts, and most importantly forged rods and pistons. I could think of a million other things I would do before slapping on a fuel management system and cranking up the boost.
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um, no one knew what the tranny could take... i showed you all. and i am not using this motor or tranny. new motor forged internals and CRAP LOADS of other stuff with a REBUILT racing LSD msp manual tranny. even thinking about putting in a 6 speed SVT focus tranny. my motor is WAY reliable with 13 psi.
im just saying i see all these people running low boost and worrying and here me and pirana are running 10 psi average and that is NOTHING to us now. we run RICH, no worrys if our s**** goin to blow like some. granted we are using haltechs... get AWAY FROM FMU (**** Man U blew it up).
peace and happy boosting. trav
Captain KRM P5 said:
um, no one knew what the tranny could take... i showed you all. and i am not using this motor or tranny. new motor forged internals and CRAP LOADS of other stuff with a REBUILT racing LSD msp manual tranny. even thinking about putting in a 6 speed SVT focus tranny. my motor is WAY reliable with 13 psi.
im just saying i see all these people running low boost and worrying and here me and pirana are running 10 psi average and that is NOTHING to us now. we run RICH, no worrys if our s**** goin to blow like some. granted we are using haltechs... get AWAY FROM FMU (**** Man U blew it up).
peace and happy boosting. trav
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Do a search, as I said above, their have been dozens of broken transmissions, manual and auto, that have broken on these cars. I also trust what I hear from MMS, as I said above, about 250 being the upper limit. Not to devalue the learning experience that your incident brings us all, but a year before you had even come on this forum people were blowing these things apart. It's commonly accepted the trannies are weak.
Curious, in your rebuild you say "racing rebuilt MSP tranny with LSD". Are you using the tochigi-fuji the MSP came with in that trans or going with something beefier like a Quaife limited slip.
not to flame, but there is nothing wrong with an FMU. Saying that FMUs blow motors is like saying Haltechs blow transmissions Its all in the end user pushing the envelope with the equipment. There are plenty of professionals, racers and tuners, etc that go with a BEGI FMU and have been for over 25 years. I agree, an FMU isn't going to get you past 8 psi on the Protege, but for some people, thats fine and a perfectly valid - a less costly - tuning solution.
deckedoutmp5 said:
Do a search, as I said above, their have been dozens of broken transmissions, manual and auto, that have broken on these cars. I also trust what I hear from MMS, as I said above, about 250 being the upper limit. Not to devalue the learning experience that your incident brings us all, but a year before you had even come on this forum people were blowing these things apart. It's commonly accepted the trannies are weak.
Curious, in your rebuild you say "racing rebuilt MSP tranny with LSD". Are you using the tochigi-fuji the MSP came with in that trans or going with something beefier like a Quaife limited slip.
not to flame, but there is nothing wrong with an FMU. Saying that FMUs blow motors is like saying Haltechs blow transmissions
Its all in the end user pushing the envelope with the equipment. There are plenty of professionals, racers and tuners, etc that go with a BEGI FMU and have been for over 25 years. I agree, an FMU isn't going to get you past 8 psi on the Protege, but for some people, thats fine and a perfectly valid - a less costly - tuning solution.
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Why get an SVT Focus tranny? It won't bolt up. And it is widely excepted to be crappier than the stock Protege tranny.
deckedoutmp5 said:
Why get an SVT Focus tranny? It won't bolt up. And it is widely excepted to be crappier than the stock Protege tranny.
I've heard bad things about getrag, but that's just what I've "heard." (laugh)
But seriously, I would just try and get the current Protege tranny beefed up, which would be a more cost effective thing than trying to use the SVT Focus transmission.
But seriously, I would just try and get the current Protege tranny beefed up, which would be a more cost effective thing than trying to use the SVT Focus transmission.
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SVT Focus Tarnny...
I haven't heard either way on Getrag. I have just heard that the six spped SVT focus tranny was crappy design as six speeds go and it doesn't work all that well.
This was covered on this board a long time ago.
It won't bolt up, an adapter plate solve part of the problem, but space, shape and mounting it back in the car are all problems.
Sure it could be done. But why spend a ton of money to have a crappy six speed tranny?
jaymode said:
I haven't heard either way on Getrag. I have just heard that the six spped SVT focus tranny was crappy design as six speeds go and it doesn't work all that well.
This was covered on this board a long time ago.
It won't bolt up, an adapter plate solve part of the problem, but space, shape and mounting it back in the car are all problems.
Sure it could be done. But why spend a ton of money to have a crappy six speed tranny?
deckedoutmp5
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all it needs is a slightly modded adapter plate. the svt 6 speed is a pretty good tranny. the gearing is way better then a msp and in drag racing its nice because you can hold on to 4th better. i am not saying the msp rebuilt couldnt hold up, ANY tranny i decide to go with will have to be fully rebuilt. I just wanted a 6 speed, they have been awesome trannys. lots of people in our car club have them and NEVER have had a problem. with or with out the JRSC. also turbo tom uses them and has gottem them up to 450 whp and not a problem (granted they have been rebuilt) and also his new stuff hes been using autos because they are better for racing. it wont take lots of money, it just takes lots of time. (money for the rebuild yes, but expected no matter what). I will probobly stick with the rebuilt MSP with stage 4 clutch and 7 lb fly wheel. but who knows, i have to many toys to finish or play with right now, my protege is just a thing to dink with. wow where is the support on this board. its like if you want to try something that no ones done you get flamed. grow a set and go out and do something, you learn by doin.
peace- trav
peace- trav
