2013 CX-5 Diesel 2.2L drove 3000km with the wrong oil

[Moonlighter]

Not getting “bent out of shape.”

“oil’s ain’t oils” though.

Very disappointed to see uninformed and flippant commentary being offered by some people here. If followed by anyone reading this thread, it will cause them a major expense to rectify the damage caused. Car will be off the road for weeks or longer.

We have seen this many times here and in the UK where the 2.2D was sold in large numbers in various Mazda models. People did their own oil changes or took their cars to local garages and ignored Mazda’s “nitpicky little oil requirements” and used any old oils, and then they found out the hard way what happens.

DPF’s and engines were soon destroyed, and warranty (if it was still in the warranty period) was of course denied.

Thats not something to be made light of.

There is plenty of hard evidence of what will happen when a high SAPS oil is used instead of the low SAPS C1 oil specified by Mazda.

The link I provided from Valvoline backs that up. Again, other oil manufacturers say the same thing.

Just about every oil manufacturer makes Euro spec oils that also meet the Mazda specs. Its not that hard to find one. The LiquiMoly one I linked earlier is one. And a very good one at that.

It might not be in every case that using the manufacturer’s specified oil is important, but this is one where it definitely is.

At this point Im not going to debate any further because as I saw a mod say on another thread, there is no point when people wont listen to facts and evidence.

 

[Lazy2.5]

I understand that my 2.5 is gasoline, not diesel. At any rate,

I've NEVER had to use warranty on my car once. It recently hit 200,000 miles.

I've put everything from 0w20-10w40 into this engine. I've used non synthetic.

Not getting “bent out of shape.”

“oil’s ain’t oils” though.

Very disappointed to see uninformed and flippant commentary being offered by some people here. If followed by anyone reading this thread, it will cause them a major expense to rectify the damage caused. Car will be off the road for weeks or longer.

We have seen this many times here and in the UK where the 2.2D was sold in large numbers in various Mazda models. People did their own oil changes or took their cars to local garages and ignored Mazda’s “nitpicky little oil requirements” and used any old oils, and then they found out the hard way what happens.

DPF’s and engines were soon destroyed, and warranty (if it was still in the warranty period) was of course denied.

Thats not something to be made light of.

There is plenty of hard evidence of what will happen when a high SAPS oil is used instead of the low SAPS C1 oil specified by Mazda.

The link I provided from Valvoline backs that up. Again, other oil manufacturers say the same thing.

Just about every oil manufacturer makes Euro spec oils that also meet the Mazda specs. Its not that hard to find one. The LiquiMoly one I linked earlier is one. And a very good one at that.

It might not be in every case that using the manufacturer’s specified oil is important, but this is one where it definitely is.

At this point Im not going to debate any further because as I saw a mod say on another thread, there is no point when people wont listen to facts and evidence.

I don't believe it. Show me examples of both the oil used and what damage it caused.

 

[Lo131]

*********** PROBLEM SOLVED ! ************


- No more oscillating RPM bellow 2250RPM in neutral and while driving
- No more acceleration / deceleration or jerking of the car when I drive bellow 50 km/h, it's all smooth now
- No more blue smoke when I fully press on the accelerator pedal in neutral (I didn't mention before because I did the test just before changing the oil and it was massive blue smoke)

So I did :
- oil change, replace 10W40 by 5W30 synthetic
- oil filter
- fuel filter
- cleaned the exhaust manifold, EGR and intercooler... was really impressed by the amount of dirt that was in there, look at the pictures.
- I didn't do the injector cleaner yet, but the car already drive like a charm.
- Still need to reset oil data

Thanks all for the your thoughts and support

 

[Lo131]

And that the oil I used

 

[N7turbo]

Im pretty sure the oil data reset is done as follows:

Without your foot on the brake (so the engine doesnt start, press and hold down the stalk in the instrument cluster (the one for resetting trips) and while holding it, press the start button twice so it puts the car into accessory mode. Keep holding the stalk down until the orange engine light flashes rapidly a few times. Done.

M A Z D A

So I just ran across this and tried it. I got the orange triangle flashing a few times as described. But there is no indication as to what this actually does. Is this something that a Mazda dealership can read from the computer?

I had been taking these CX-5s in for service for years before I started doing my own oil changes. As far as I know (which could be wrong) they only reset it in the infotainment system.

 

[ruthrj]

I don't believe it. Show me examples of both the oil used and what damage it caused.

Vavoline link shared earlier, but it’s a really good read to reiterating:

DPF And Engine Oil Explained - Valvoline™ Global New Zealand

If you drive a newer (est. post 2010) diesel-powered car or ute, then located in the exhaust system will likely be a diesel particulate filter (DPF). Key to the DPF'

www.valvolineglobal.com

Can the DPF cause Turbocharger Failure?

There are many articles and technical documents relating to how a faulty turbo can lead to DPF damage, however, the DPF is actually responsible for more turbo related failures than you might think. Here we explore what effect a blocked DPF can have on a turbocharger.

www.melett.com

Another example, all that s*** in the pizza box in post #23. The EGR is routinely feeding that into the combustion process. You really want an oil formulated for diesel engines to handle that crud.

My mother in laws Mercedes Sprinter van RV also requires the use of a low ash motor oil, and the owners manual warns of the consequences and possible voiding of warranty for using oil not meeting the MB spec.

 

[Moonlighter]

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So I just ran across this and tried it. I got the orange triangle flashing a few times as described. But there is no indication as to what this actually does. Is this something that a Mazda dealership can read from the computer?

I had been taking these CX-5s in for service for years before I started doing my own oil changes. As far as I know (which could be wrong) they only reset it in the infotainment system.

My understanding, without getting too technical, is that the diesel engine’s PCM monitors oil quality (dilution) and quantity.

If you don't reset the oil data to tell it that you have changed the oil when you have, it will get to a point where the PCM believes the oil is no good anymore and will generate fault codes. It may also (and I cant be sure) affect how the engine operates as the pcm may compensate for what it believes to be old diluted oil.

I have no idea whether that also applies to petrol engine Mazdas. I will ask when I take the new Akera in for its next service. If I can talk to someone who actually knows what they are talking about, that is.

I always used to reset the 2.2D’s oil data myself using the trip meter stalk method when doing my own interim oil changes. So I never had fault codes.

My Mazda dealer’s “Service Advisor” (read trained monkey at the service desk) once tried to tell me it couldnt be done except by the Mazda scan tool. So I showed her the reset procedure in the owners manual….

My brother however also has a CX5 diesel, his is 2012 year, and a few weeks ago he had a check engine light come on - blinking which means do something quickly. Took it into his Mazda dealer the next day and they kinda almost admitted to forgetting to do the oil data reset at the last service. Reset done, fault code gone, car running fine now.