2011 Toyota Sienna Wants To Be A Sedan

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LOS ANGELES "Minivan" apparently is a bit of a dirty word to Toyota. The Japanese automaker rolled out its 2011 Toyota Sienna minivan at the 2009 Los Angeles Auto Show, emphasizing how sedanlike the redesign has made this people hauler.

The new Sienna goes on sale in February in the U.S. Pricing has not yet been announced.

"The third-generation Sienna will look and drive more like a sedan," Toyota said in a statement. The minivan has distinctly American roots, with its design a product of Toyota's Calty Design Research and its development taking place at the Toyota Technical Center in Ann Arbor, Michigan.

Among the highlights are a new, sporty SE model with side skirting, standard 19-inch alloy wheels, smoked taillamps and a sport-tuned suspension, as well as the debut of a more fuel-efficient four-cylinder engine.

Although the Sienna definitely still looks like a minivan, Toyota said it aimed for a "stronger profile" with the redesign. The Sienna rides on the same wheelbase as the previous generation, but it is wider and slightly shorter overall. The Sienna's face gets a slightly edgier look, and Toyota designers veered away from the minivan's classic boxy looks with a more sculptural rear. Toyota took pains to carve out personal cabin space for the driver and front passenger.

The 2011 Sienna comes with a choice of two engines. The 3.5-liter V6 makes 266 horsepower at 6,200 rpm, with Toyota pegging fuel economy at 18 miles per gallon in the city and 24 mpg on the highway. The 187-hp 2.7-liter four-cylinder engine is expected to deliver fuel efficiency ratings of 19 mpg city and 26 mpg on the highway. Both engines get a six-speed automatic transmission.

The Sienna will come in five grades: a base Sienna grade, LE, SE, XLE and Limited. Although the cabin doesn't leapfrog the competition in a dramatic way, it does offer some intriguing options. One of them is a rear-seat Dual View Entertainment Center, which uses two displays side by side to create a seamless 16.4-inch wide-screen image from a single source, said Toyota. The system can also split the screen into two individual screens, each with input from separate sources. It can be seen from the third row and can be operated from any seat.

Seven airbags are standard, and Toyota's new Safety Connect telematics system is standard on the Limited model and optional on the XLE model. All-wheel drive continues to be an option on the Sienna.

Inside Line says:
Toyota continues to work hard to take the sting out of being seen driving a minivan with the redesign of the 2011 Sienna. Anita Lienert, Correspondent


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I was hesitant on posting this as is not a 1-to-1 apples comparo vs the Mazda5, but for the sake of discussion:
  • Toyota seems to get the idea that a people hauler does not have to look boring. The model is far far better looking than its predecessor, especially the SE
  • Good ammenities, I like them. The price and behemoth size, not really though :D
  • I'm not sure about fun to drive part, but I definitely see Mazda influence on it, one way or the other. Mazda, don't screw it up for 2011
  • 4 cylinder option, 187hp, I hope it hauls!
 
sorry not seeing sedan anywhere in there, and recliners with footrests just makes it more of an old astra van
 
The SE from the front really reminds me of the 04-06 Mazda MPV.

4 cyl -- Only 18% more HP over the Mazda 5 yet about 30% heavier. The combined city/hwy MPG is less than Mazda 5's, so much for stealing the minivan fuel efficiency category (*In Canada, the 5 is listed as a minivan in the fuel efficiency guide)

And what exactly is sporty about the SE? If it can beat the 5 at slalom tests, maybe, but even then without a manual transmission, yawn. But what do you expect, they didn't even give the new 4Runner a manual...
 
Astra van? True, the JDM Mazda MPV also has those though :)

Manual tranny would be extremely funny on that thing

Here you go, some specs:

Current 2010
Overall height, unloaded 68.9
Overall width 77.4
Overall length 201.0
Wheelbase 119.3
Curb Weight, CE, FWD: 4295lb. Limited, AWD: 4545lb

2011
Overall height, unloaded 68.9
Overall width 78.2
Overall length 200.2
Wheelbase 119.3
Curb Weight: Unknown

The SE will only come with 6cyl, of course
 

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I don't know why anyone would choose the 4 cyl option. That would seem pretty stupid to me. Give up 80 HP and get 1 MPG city and highway. The V-6 Sienna will eat up any Mazda5 in a stoplight drag, but ... come on.... Reminds me of me racing an RX-8 in a stoplight drag with my LT1 powered GM station wagon. Family of 6 and luggage for a weekend. Took until 90 MPH before the RX-8 started to pull away. My wife was not amused.... was still a big station wagon, although I did suprise some people auto-xing that thing. :)
 
I like it, keep the AWD and those looks n it'll be a winner over Honda. Currently the Mazda5 is hands down awesome and fits our needs exactly. If we had to go bigger though it'd be tough... I like the Toyota for its AWD and lack of road noise, but I like the Honda for its looks... and well its Honda... I'm not a real big fan of Toyota customer service.
 
Wow that behemoth got even wider. It's almost 10 inches wider than the 5... not to mention almost 20 inches longer.
 
3 notes:

#1, that minivan will never be "cool" if everyone inside can see you selecting gears off the DASHBOARD! I will take a column shift over a dashboard anyday, but an MT in the console trumps all.

#2, I have aproblem with the mpg comparisons btw the V6 & I4. Supposedly the 4 is going to get only 1 mpg better city, but 2 better hwy? IDK, should be reversed. The only real benefit to a smaller engine is saving fuel at low speeds. Once the speeds increase to highway levels, the 4 banger has to be geared higher in the rpm range to use its max hp, while the V6 can depend on its generous torque at a lower rpm range. To be truthful, (and I tested this on my Accord EX VTEC & bro-in-law's Accord V6 over 240 mi) they should get about the same hwy. But coasting and then idling at a stoplight - well, anyone can see its better to have 2.7L of volume than 3.5L if its idling.

#3, those hp numbers look a big low. Just about any 2.5L can get 180 hp nowadays. And any 3.5L should be nearing 280 hp. I would expect a brand new 2.7L engine to be DI, so I would expect something of that capacity to put out 195 hp, minimum.
 

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