2007 350z

[Focused]

do you start everypost with LOL? lol

oh dear, you are braking out the home made videos now were talking facts (jerkit)

And be careful about telling somebody they are mag racing when you dont know where the sources come from. you just assumed the times i posted were out of some magazine and you are dead wrong. you know what they say when you assume right? you tend to make an ass out of yourself.

Quite frankly we can continue to piss all over eachother on this one but the reality is that its rediculous. There is every reason why a pre-07 should be keeping up with an MS3. THEY HAVE ENOUGH POWER!!! but wait, i am going to pre-counteract your next statement. they have less torque than we do. well guess what, i bet there gearing is different.

Now i want you to keep something in mind. I own an MS3 and i think its a great car. its fast as hell, and fun as hell. However its not the fastest thing out there in the world. Not every car owner/maker is trying to make cars "keep up" with US. Our MS3's are not the godsent that you seem to think they are.

as for my statement on the neon thing, it is really quite simple. Ill give you some credit here because it was pretty early in the morning so I will assume thats why you couldnt understand it. The statement was made that we can walk all over the 350z and THAT IS NOT TRUE. a dodge neon, a chevy cobalt, and moped, we can walk all over those cars. Not a 350Z which was my original point to my original post in this thread. However its rather plain to see that you can't say our cars wont beat something on this forum without being told you dont know the mods done to a car that you have spent as much time driving and enjoying as the owner or that i dont know how to drive my own car. So rant on and contunue to thikn you are the end all authority on cars:bs:

LOL Nah, I only do it when I'm talking to people like you. Thanks for the amusement

I never said I was the be-all, end-all (maybe try to stop putting words in other peoples' mouths...?), but I do attest to the pre-07 Z being slow[er] on the highway (than an intake-equipped MS3).

Less torque? For sure. Gearing? Different, but minor, really, at this point (even if our gearing is disadvantageous, our torque output/powerband makes up for all the difference). Oh, you forgot the weight difference, too, which plays a role in the HIGHWAY RUN SCENARIO that I had solely reported on.

About the assuming, I don't care if you tested that with your G-tech, it's all the same. If a car pulls on another, then a car pulls on another. Simple as that. Don't give me times without verifying what kind of timer is being used and in what conditions. Among other things, not all timer's are created equal, buddy.

Stop getting so antsy, bro. It's not good for your health. You must be misunderstanding me when I make my claims; you seem to think that I'm mouthing off bulls***, because I'm some kinda MS3 fanboi of some sort. Sorry to disappoint, I'm just a car enthusiast, and I'm speaking from my own experiences and observations. If it ain't your driving, then something's wrong with your car.

However its rather plain to see that you can't say our cars wont beat something on this forum without being told you dont know the mods done to a car that you have spent as much time driving and enjoying as the owner or that i dont know how to drive my own car.

Dude, was it early in the morning again, or what? You make things sound so complicated.

EDIT: BTW, check out the times Nuki kindly posted from the Z site, specifically the trap speeds. Only the 07s hit above 103 mph. If you know anything about trap speeds (which, at this point, I wouldn't bet it on...I don't know, you tell me!), it's a pretty decent indicator of how much power a car is putting out, and how any given vehicle will compare to another on the highway.

 

[Nuki255]

Do you guys have an equivalent thread with 1/4 times and slips? Just curious, if you do can someone gimme the link?

 

[clos561]

i dont think we do..i havent seen too many time slips on ms3's every knows what we can run but it would be nice....if there is one then i wanna see it

 

[GoFast]

EDIT: BTW, check out the times Nuki kindly posted from the Z site, specifically the trap speeds. Only the 07s hit above 103 mph. If you know anything about trap speeds (which, at this point, I wouldn't bet it on...I don't know, you tell me!), it's a pretty decent indicator of how much power a car is putting out, and how any given vehicle will compare to another on the highway.

Ya know, of all the arguments that you have posted in this little exchange, that has got to be your worst one. The majority of the trap speeds are between 100-103mph and those were run(according to the post by Nuki) by everything from an 03-07. So you may bet that I don't know know much about trap speeds and their equivalence to HP, but from what i can see, you just made a moog point. They are running an average of 101mph in the 1/4 and so are we, perhaps maybe even a bit slower? So using your logic of 1/4 mile trap speeds being a good indicator of how vehicles will compare to another on the highway, all of those 350z's that you "raced" just walked you?

P.S. I am calm. Just kind of off-putting when a ridiculous claim is made like the one that has been made on this forum. To be honest it is almost as bad as reading through the, I am faster than every car on the road and my car is better than everything, SRT-4 forums. Just trying to give us MS3 owners a little bit of dignity and correcting a false statement. We will not "walk" all over an 07 z or any year for that matter. We may pull them a hair, or who knows, they may pull us. Regardless, they are both great cars with there own niche

 

[Micah]

In my WRX trapped 103 at 14 - I tried to launch, clutch slipped, car fell on it face more or less - then I drove it down the track as fast as I could

I'm pretty sure that once I am able to properly launch the car off the line, I should see my trap get a bit higher, and my time decrease.

Haven't dyno'd yet - waiting for my friends shop to get their dyno - hoping for 270awhp or above.

 

[GoFast]

Oh yeah did I mention that I've past - off the top of my head - three(3) Z06's on 2nd and 3rd gear rolls up to 5th and have easily had 3-4 cars on them. (mj)

*edit* don't take this seriously, its only a joke(rofl)

 

[TheDutchGun]

Oh yeah did I mention that I've past - off the top of my head - three(3) Z06's on 2nd and 3rd gear rolls up to 5th and have easily had 3-4 cars on them. (mj)

Good one

 

[Focused]

? Dude, please, reread my posts. I'm said it many times already, yet it seems to fly right over your head...I'm talking about CAI-equipped MS3s, not stock ones [vs. stock/lightly modded, pre-07s, just to clarify]. They will trap higher than stock MS3s, ya know.

Just trying to give us MS3 owners a little bit of dignity and correcting a false statement. We will not "walk" all over an 07 z or any year for that matter. We may pull them a hair, or who knows, they may pull us. Regardless, they are both great cars with there own niche

Hey man, I can respect that any day. If you reread my last post, I told you, I'm not into fanboi bulls***. Being a car enthusiast, I like all cars and I don't downplay anything out of subjectivity. Like I said, I speak from my own experiences and observations. And I've concluded that pre-07 Zs are slower on the highway (when compared to a CAI-equipped MS3). Never said they weren't nice cars 'with their own niche', but they're still slower on the highway.

I've been very specific with my claims, and nothing I said was fanboi-ish, outrageous or out of whack. I will back it up any day of the week. Perhaps you should stop taking my claims personal and exaggerating them (nice try with that last joke of a post in reference to Z06s, btw; too bad it was a distasteful one. E for effort, though).

Hey, I've got an idea, when I'm out in Vegas this July, we should have some kinda g2g or something. You could bring your friend out with the SRI-equipped Z, and we could see just why you're not pulling on him on a 2nd/3rd gear roll. How about it?

 

[Micah]

For the sake of argument and the science of forum fact finding - if anyone in NJ would like to do this test - I have a stock 2005 350Z(287hp/274tq) and would be more than happy to meet up and do some highway runs with a CAI equipped MS3.

After that we can try it with my WRX.... rofl.

 

[Action Jackson]

Back to the original question. Assuming it's a circuit track and not a dragstrip.

The pre-2007 350'z and G35's can be very quick on a race track.

To me, they seem well balanced even in stock trim, and I'm usually trying to keep up with them from behind to watch their suspension do it's magic.

On paper they may seem rather heavy and sluggish, but they are a treat to watch in the hands of a good driver on the track. Same with the RX-8.

 

[GoFast]

Hey, I've got an idea, when I'm out in Vegas this July, we should have some kinda g2g or something. You could bring your friend out with the SRI-equipped Z, and we could see just why you're not pulling on him on a 2nd/3rd gear roll. How about it?

(cabpatch) Sounds fun! I have just the right stretch of road for the fun!

? Dude, please, reread my posts. I'm said it many times already, yet it seems to fly right over your head...I'm talking about CAI-equipped MS3s, not stock ones [vs. stock/lightly modded, pre-07s, just to clarify]. They will trap higher than stock MS3s, ya know.

I have very clearly read your posts and unless I am missing something then I stand by my previous statements. You are correct, you were talking about CAI equipped MS3's not stock ones...correct? well then the 350 numbers that were posted by nuki?? were stock 350z's I was simply taking your point, considering it, and comparing apples to apples. However my buddies Z isn't stock, it has an SRI on it.

Hey man, I can respect that any day. If you reread my last post, I told you, I'm not into fanboi bulls***. Being a car enthusiast, I like all cars and I don't downplay anything out of subjectivity.

Well hey, at least we are in agreement on something (drinks)

Like I said, I speak from my own experiences and observations. And I've concluded that pre-07 Zs are slower on the highway (when compared to a CAI-equipped MS3). Never said they weren't nice cars 'with their own niche', but they're still slower on the highway.

That's good that you are speaking from your own experiences. as a matter of fact, I am glad that you are now making yet another reference to it. Part of my point is just that. It is your own personal experience which may or may not be skewed. You could post all of the videos that you want, but that still wont settle anything. Unless you are doing this in some kind of controlled environment, your videos mean nothing. For all any of us know, you could have jumped the gun on the z which would easily account for the 3-4 car lead you had. And that is just one of a million possibilities. again, my point is that you will not "WALK" a Z when you are comparing apples to apples. you may pull slightly, or he may pull you slightly but you aren't walking away from it like its your MS3 vs a moped.

I've been very specific with my claims, and nothing I said was fanboi-ish, outrageous or out of whack. I will back it up any day of the week.

Awesome! good for you. and i will back mine up as well. does that make you right? nope. does that make me right? nope

Perhaps you should stop taking my claims personal and exaggerating them

Not taking them personal at all. actually if you notice, I have ignored your remarks that were more personal, such as your "LOL Nah, I only do it when I'm talking to people like you." comment. People like me? you don't even know me. but who cares, this is a fun convo about 2 differing opinions on 2 bad ass cars.

(nice try with that last joke of a post in reference to Z06s, btw; too bad it was a distasteful one. E for effort, though).

HAHA come on!!! not distasteful at all!! I still give myself an A for effort instead of an E(thumb)

 

[GoFast]

For the sake of argument and the science of forum fact finding - if anyone in NJ would like to do this test - I have a stock 2005 350Z(287hp/274tq) and would be more than happy to meet up and do some highway runs with a CAI equipped MS3.

After that we can try it with my WRX.... rofl.

(cool)

 

[Micah]

GoFast - did you have a comment for what I posted or was that simply to bump mine back to the bottom of the thread?

 

[GoFast]

GoFast - did you have a comment for what I posted or was that simply to bump mine back to the bottom of the thread?

The smiley was my comment. I would love to hear more than 1 persons experience of this.

 

[Micah]

My bad - the forum loads slow as hell while I'm at work - no smileys unless I wait a long time.

I'd expect the MS3 vs 350Z to be a drivers race with the edge going to the Z.

I'd be very surprised if the MS3 could pull on my WRX at all.

 

[Focused]

(cabpatch) Sounds fun! I have just the right stretch of road for the fun!

I'll give you a heads up when July comes around

I have very clearly read your posts and unless I am missing something then I stand by my previous statements. You are correct, you were talking about CAI equipped MS3's not stock ones...correct? well then the 350 numbers that were posted by nuki?? were stock 350z's I was simply taking your point, considering it, and comparing apples to apples. However my buddies Z isn't stock, it has an SRI on it.

Last I recall, SRIs really don't provide big enough gains to warrant substantial trap speed differences. And keep in mind, we're talking about an NA motor.

That's good that you are speaking from your own experiences. as a matter of fact, I am glad that you are now making yet another reference to it. Part of my point is just that. It is your own personal experience which may or may not be skewed. You could post all of the videos that you want, but that still wont settle anything. Unless you are doing this in some kind of controlled environment, your videos mean nothing.

LOL oh geez, taking it to the 'controlled environment' level. Just because you don't recognize highway rolls as an "official" test, don't try to discount MY claims that pre-07 Zs are slower on a highway sprint versus a CAI-equipped MS3. Pre 07 Zs, stock or lightly modded, have not pulled on me yet. And considering the results I've experienced, driver mod will not make a difference. I don't understand how you can you dance around that. Not that I care to, at this point, because if you're staying dead even or even getting pulled, then that's something you've gotta look into.

For all any of us know, you could have jumped the gun on the z which would easily account for the 3-4 car lead you had.

A video would tell you I didn't

And that is just one of a million possibilities. again, my point is that you will not "WALK" a Z when you are comparing apples to apples. you may pull slightly, or he may pull you slightly but you aren't walking away from it like its your MS3 vs a moped.

sorry, he/she will NOT pull on a CAI MS3, generally speaking (NA vs turbo comparison may be different in a higher altitude environment). The torque and weight advantage of the MS3 is too large for a stock or SRIed Z to overcome. Sorry.

Question, what's your definition of walking away? Perhaps that is where our differences really lie. You seem to think a Z06 pulling away from an MS3 is "pulling".

Awesome! good for you. and i will back mine up as well. does that make you right? nope. does that make me right? nope

You haven't really backed it up...? I explicitly stated what kinda pulls I did. You did not. How can my CAIed MS3 pull on a Z such as your friends, and you cannot? Why can I put 3 cars on the Z up to 100 mph and you cannot? Do I have a factory freak or something? What is making the difference? There's obviously some kinda reasonable doubt, then, don't you think?

(Don't throw the 'controlled environment' thing again. We are and have been talking about highway rolls from the get-go.)

Another Q for ya, who beeps when you do your 2nd or 3rd gear rolls?

but who cares, this is a fun convo about 2 differing opinions on 2 bad ass cars.

Exactly

HAHA come on!!! not distasteful at all!! I still give myself an A for effort instead of an E(thumb)

"I'm special 'cause my momma tells me so..." LOL (2thumbs)

Dude, it was corny. It's the kinda joke someone throws out when there's nothing left to support their argument! LOL Again, E for effort though. I can always respect effort.

 

[Focused]

For the sake of argument and the science of forum fact finding - if anyone in NJ would like to do this test - I have a stock 2005 350Z(287hp/274tq) and would be more than happy to meet up and do some highway runs with a CAI equipped MS3.

After that we can try it with my WRX.... rofl.

I actually replied to one of your posts in one of the other threads...

How's Tom's river been lately? Haven't been down in the LONGEST time. I'd be more than glad to come down and have a nice gathering if things are popping. It's a bit of a drive for me (coming from NYC area), so I honestly wouldn't go all the way down there just for a run, but if people are getting together, I'd be down.

I don't know about the WRX, though... LOL

I have a couple friends that'd enjoy running the Rex, though

 

[Micah]

TR is still the same it's always been. Pretentious kids playing with their parents money for the most part. They are the ones who get pulled over.

I work with a guy who hangs out with owners of modded cobra's who hunt for Vipers and Z06's. The spirit is the same, simply a matter of how fast you can afford to go. My WRX pulls on stock EVO/STI from a roll, I'm happy with it.

 

[GoFast]

I'll give you a heads up when July comes around

Awesome, Ill let my buddy know too!

Last I recall, SRIs really don't provide big enough gains to warrant substantial trap speed differences. And keep in mind, we're talking about an NA motor.

Uh huh and?? whats the point here? Our factory trap speeds are lower than the Z's 03-07. So you throw on a CAI and all of the sudden you expect it to shoot up 10mph? (exaggeration) My point is that we may shoot up to 103-105. Which basically puts us just about dead even. (please note: these are according to the online mag articles, so we can sorta take it or leave it)

LOL oh geez, taking it to the 'controlled environment' level. Just because you don't recognize highway rolls as an "official" test, don't try to discount MY claims that pre-07 Zs are slower on a highway sprint versus a CAI-equipped MS3.

Don't discount it?? isn't that the whole point of this entertaining argument anyways??

Pre 07 Zs, stock or lightly modded, have not pulled on me yet. And considering the results I've experienced, driver mod will not make a difference. I don't understand how you can you dance around that.

I am not dancing around anything here. So they haven't pulled on you yet, so what? That isn't the point of our original argument. The term "walk" was used and i disagreed. ??Driver mod?? not sure what you mean here, but if you are referring that one driver to another wouldn't make a result in the difference, than you are 100% for sure wrong.

Not that I care to, at this point, because if you're staying dead even or even getting pulled, then that's something you've gotta look into.

I dont have to get anything looked into. The car does what it is supposed to do. perhaps the z's you raced should get something looked into?

A video would tell you I didn't

Again, I am not a big fan of these home made videos. So you honked your horn, flashed your lights, etc... great. There are so many variables that could attest to your results of "walking" several Z's That was my whole point on the video thing.

sorry, he/she will NOT pull on a CAI MS3, generally speaking (NA vs turbo comparison may be different in a higher altitude environment). The torque and weight advantage of the MS3 is too large for a stock or SRIed Z to overcome. Sorry.

Weight advantage?? 100lbs..maybe? what Z's are you racing to come come to your conclusions?? the roadster? of course the convert is heavier. the torque difference isn't that much different nor is the HP

Question, what's your definition of walking away? Perhaps that is where our differences really lie. You seem to think a Z06 pulling away from an MS3 is "pulling".

I agree fully here!! i believe that we are disagreeing here. you claim 3-4 cars from 2nd to 5th right? that has to be at least a half a mile or more, probably more. 3-4 cars really isn't that much. to me that is slightly pulling. keyword slightly.

You haven't really backed it up...? I explicitly stated what kinda pulls I did. You did not. How can my CAIed MS3 pull on a Z such as your friends, and you cannot? Why can I put 3 cars on the Z up to 100 mph and you cannot? Do I have a factory freak or something? What is making the difference? There's obviously some kinda reasonable doubt, then, don't you think?

just because you said you did something doesn't mean it really happened. so to say you did something doesn't really back it up. as for how can your CAI'ed pull on a z like my friends thing, simple. I am just going to give a few examples here. The first is to use your own example that you threw in my face against you. maybe the Z drivers "were driving their cars wrong" Perhaps the z was in 3rd and you were in 2nd. Perhaps you were already cruising in 2nd when your horn beeped and the z decided not to shift to second until after that. again all those could account for 3-4 cars over a half a mile or more stretch. Perhaps, you were alone in your car and the z had a passenger. or a tank of gas that was more full than yours. I dunno, i could go on and on. that is what i meant by a controlled environment BTW. One time, i raced an srt-4 with my svt focus and beat him. why? there is no reason i should have but the driver of the srt-4 sucked. didn't know how to launch, missed a shift, etc...doesn't mean that its correct. no svt focus(stock'ish) should beat an srt-4 in that situation. period.

(Don't throw the 'controlled environment' thing again. We are and have been talking about highway rolls from the get-go.)

Another Q for ya, who beeps when you do your 2nd or 3rd gear rolls?

we haven't really worked out our pecking order on that one yet. we are more competitive at auto-x and RR events than on the highway

 

[Micah]

we haven't really worked out our pecking order on that one yet. we are more competitive at auto-x and RR events than on the highway

Cool - who and where - I believe SCCA documents this info - right? You said "we" so I'm assuming you are referring to people on this forum - correct me if I'm misreading you.