2 cam 97 protege 118k oil in air box filter soaked

anyone have any ideas other than oil over full? more info for you, check engine light, seems to run ok at idle bogs on accel, changed oil and filter it was over full ,smoke out the tailpipe smells of fresh oil burn. #3 plug was oil fouled any help??
 
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You might want to replace the PCV Valve. That will sometimes cause it to get oil in the air filter. The part cost about 5 dollars. You can call some part stores and see if the do chexk engine tests. Autozone, Advance Auto Parts etc. The pcv valve will also cause the oil in the sparkplugs, replace and forget about the smoke. I would also recommend giving it a tune-up. After this is done you might see some smoke come out for a while until it burns off all the excess oil that was left over. Hope this helps. Peace
 
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skelley14@wi.rr said:
I think its all bigger than that i'm thinking more like valve seals? maybe even piston rings?


No way, I would seriously check the pcv valve first then move on to bigger things. WHy spend the big bucks and then find out its still doing it? dont be stupid and just eliminate the inexpensive things first.
 
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Quikmix said:
No way, I would seriously check the pcv valve first then move on to bigger things. WHy spend the big bucks and then find out its still doing it? dont be stupid and just eliminate the inexpensive things first.
i don't think that the pcv would would leave standing oil on top of a piston would it?
 
skelley14@wi.rr said:
i don't think that the pcv would would leave standing oil on top of a piston would it?


I had to replace mine because there was oil on the air filter and on the spark plugs. The piston problem will probably be the valve seals or valve gcover gasket. Even though you replace the seal and or gasket you want to replace the pcv valve and give it a tune up. check to see how much the parts are (seal and gasket.)
 
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Quikmix said:
I had to replace mine because there was oil on the air filter and on the spark plugs. The piston problem will probably be the valve seals or valve gcover gasket. Even though you replace the seal and or gasket you want to replace the pcv valve and give it a tune up. check to see how much the parts are (seal and gasket.)
valve seals and cover gasket is $97.00. any idea how valve seals go in, my chiltons manual does'nt cover it. never mind i figured it out should be up and running monday afternoon
 
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skelley14@wi.rr said:
valve seals and cover gasket is $97.00. any idea how valve seals go in, my chiltons manual does'nt cover it. never mind i figured it out should be up and running monday afternoon

thats good. Hope it runs fine. Good luck and fun driving.
 
While you're doing all this, also check the hose that goes from the air filter to the Throttle Body for cracks on the underside and between the gaps and check any vacuum lines that might have disconnected or so weak that they pinch themselves closed. You can know if the PCV valve is working by just taking it out and shaking it. If it only rattles a little then it's too clogged.
 
mannydingo said:
While you're doing all this, also check the hose that goes from the air filter to the Throttle Body for cracks on the underside and between the gaps and check any vacuum lines that might have disconnected or so weak that they pinch themselves closed. You can know if the PCV valve is working by just taking it out and shaking it. If it only rattles a little then it's too clogged.
just for giggles i'll check, did the valve seals and still have same problem
 
skelley14@wi.rr said:
just for giggles i'll check, did the valve seals and still have same problem
Yeah, just do it for giggles and not to see if it might actually be causing problems. I had a 95 Protege that used to shoot out smoke like that but only when I made quick left turns. The car came with what Mazda calls a resonance chamber. It's the plastic little box in the picture below right at the center front of the picture and is right in front of the firewall on the engine. It was filled with oil. There were also a couple of vacuum lines either disconnected or incorrectly connected to the wrong place and were probably the reason for the oil overflow problem. I took off the valve cover and the engine was all covered in hard, crusty and baked-on oil. I had to use a spatula and screwdrivers to peel it off. I then used an air compressor to blow it all off. I could only wonder if the insides of the engine were filled with the same crud. I also had to replace the MAF sensor(not your problem). After that, the car never, ever smoked again. It was not an internal engine problem. I'm just letting you know that something more simple might be the problem. Get the smaller, cheaper things out of the way first. We're talking from experience here. I hope you find the problem and continue with the questions.
 

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mannydingo said:
Yeah, just do it for giggles and not to see if it might actually be causing problems. I had a 95 Protege that used to shoot out smoke like that but only when I made quick left turns. The car came with what Mazda calls a resonance chamber. It's the plastic little box in the picture below right at the center front of the picture and is right in front of the firewall on the engine. It was filled with oil. There were also a couple of vacuum lines either disconnected or incorrectly connected to the wrong place and were probably the reason for the oil overflow problem. I took off the valve cover and the engine was all covered in hard, crusty and baked-on oil. I had to use a saptula and screwdrivers to peel it off. I then used an air compressor to blow it all off. I could only wonder if the insides of the engine were filled with the same crud. I also had to replace the MAF sensor. After that, the car never, ever smoked again. It was not an internal engine problem. I'm just letting you know that something more simple might be the problem. Get the smaller, cheaper things out of the way first. We're talking from experience here. I hope you find the problem and continue with the questions.
Sorry been some long days at work and just getting back i did the valve seals, pcv, plugs ,wires ,cap,rotor and still massive smoke out of tail pipe,so bad that that the military could use it for smoke screens ,only opon acceleration at idle it smokes slightly.dumped a can of engine cleaner in the oil and ran it for several hours in hopes it would free-up any stuck oil rings. haven't ran it in a couple days will do so when i get home from work.also have blowby smoke coming out the oil filler cap when removed
 
ascensions said:
I'm suffering from a strikingly simular situation on my MX-3, have you found any solution?
No I haven't unfortunatly the forums here have given me some things to look at but not solving the problem, The dealer seems to think its the oil rings, They didn't look at it I just talked to them over the phone. I wish there was a master mazda tech to run things by in the forums!!!!
 
My scenario was that I removed the valve cover, and now it smokes alot of oil. The consensus on another board was also the rings, but I'm not ready to throw in the towel. After reading this thread, I checked the resonator, which on my Mazda is just a little box attached to the the air filter. I didn't find any oil, but it did lead me to checking the pcv valve which did appear to be swallowing oil.

I tried to unplug the pcv and run it for awhile but it didn't seem to clear up.

At this point I'm still hoping it's the valve cover gasket. My theory is that it's providing enough of a vacuum leak to cause incorrect pressure on the underside of the piston and forcing oil up through the rings. This would explain why cylinder #1 is the cleanest and #4 is the dirtiest, with 3&4 fouling from oil; because, they are the furthest away from the vacuum source.

I know it's a long shot, but it actually is making the most sense. I'll let you know what I find. The cover gasket is on order through Mazda and should be here tomorrow. I'll also replace the pcv, and pop another new set of plugs in.

After that it's compression test time... but I still have a hard time accepting that answer since my problem occurred almost immediately after removing the valve cover.

I would have accepted the PCV being the sole problem, due to the oil in the line, except for the fact it continues to smoke. That would require it pooling in something (like the resonator) which I've checked and it's fine. Unless there is somewhere else for the oil to pool in that I'm not thinking about.

If you come to any conclusions, please post your outcome, I'm burned out from problem solving, and completely scared of the possibility this could be internal engine damage.
 
I don't know what to tell you as for mine it looks like i'm going to have to take it to the dealer and let them figure it out i don't have the time to spend waiting for the forums to try and answer my questions. I bought the car with this problem for $475 and I figure I could spend up to $2000 on it and still be in the blue book of the car
 
Well just to let you know, I discovered the timing belt had jumped about 7 or 8 teeth on the intake side. It continues to burn oil however. Being this is a non-interference engine I suspect the cam may have jumped and crushed the valve guides and seals.

Hope you find a much less unpleasant answer on your car.
 
That blows!!!!

ascensions said:
Well just to let you know, I discovered the timing belt had jumped about 7 or 8 teeth on the intake side. It continues to burn oil however. Being this is a non-interference engine I suspect the cam may have jumped and crushed the valve guides and seals.

Hope you find a much less unpleasant answer on your car.
May I ask how you determined that?
 
Well I'm just guessing at the valve guides, but the timing was verified by pulling the timing cover at TDC and checking the alignment of the cams.
 
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