nattyboy513
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will these http://www.axiswheels.com/maglite.html fit our cars? 17's that weigh 14lbs and only $200. and did i mention that they look badass!
1st Autocross with the MSP! WOW!!
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nattyboy513
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jk... just saw that they only make them in 4-bolt pattern and we have 5. sorry.
cjstringer said:
Sorry...didn't mean to put down your wheels. If it were up to me, I would have the $119 ones but my husband is a wheel freak and is willing to pay $500 extra just for looks. The weight is right around the same...19.5 lbs so you are not paying extra for that!
scapamouche
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I talked to James CHen of Axis last year trying to get him to start making the Maglite in a bolt pattern for the Celica (5X100) and he said there wasn;t enough room to make it work. it'd be worse with the 5x114.5 we have.
As for tires, we all have our own opinions, but I don't think a beginning autoxer should use race tires AT ALL! Learn how to drive using steet tires of some sort, then once you've learned how to make the msot of them, go to a race compound. Those tires are too expensive to to start on, plus you won't get the same level of skill using the available grip if you haven't tried the lower traction route first.
If I were you, AGR, I'd autox on the RE040s until you kill them, THEN worry about getting better tires. AS for what class to run in, you are currently ILLEGAL for stock! The cone filter and maybe the turbo timer too are NOT allowed in stock!
I'm running in STX because I don't want to spend the money for race tires and new wheels, and I was in STS before, so all my friends are still in STS, AND, I already have a good basis for how to make an ST type car fast.
If you Do decide to get new tires, and opt to NOT go in stock, I'd recommend 15" rims with 205/50-15 Falken Azenis or 16" rims with 215/45-16 Azenis. They are BY FAR the best bang for the buck, and the only tires with better dry traction are BFG KDs which cost about twice as much.
As I've said in other threads, I'm getting a set of 225/45-17 Azenis put on my MSP tomorrow, and I'll let you know how they fit. I've got an autox this coming weekend, too so I can get some solid feedback on how well they do when worked hard too (at least as far as rubbing goes...) I can tell you now that the grip they give is GREAT, but that it will take either 2 or 3 autoxs OR a couple hundred miles of hard street driving to get them up to their full potential. They need to be broken in to grip their best.
Keep them COOL on the autox: they DO NOT LIKE HEAT. AT ALL. I usually spray my front tires with water after each run to cool them off. I've seen the grip go away and the tires get greasy if they are over about 130F. Yes, I use a pyrometer. Like my sig says, I'm an autox fiend
As for tires, we all have our own opinions, but I don't think a beginning autoxer should use race tires AT ALL! Learn how to drive using steet tires of some sort, then once you've learned how to make the msot of them, go to a race compound. Those tires are too expensive to to start on, plus you won't get the same level of skill using the available grip if you haven't tried the lower traction route first.
If I were you, AGR, I'd autox on the RE040s until you kill them, THEN worry about getting better tires. AS for what class to run in, you are currently ILLEGAL for stock! The cone filter and maybe the turbo timer too are NOT allowed in stock!
I'm running in STX because I don't want to spend the money for race tires and new wheels, and I was in STS before, so all my friends are still in STS, AND, I already have a good basis for how to make an ST type car fast.
If you Do decide to get new tires, and opt to NOT go in stock, I'd recommend 15" rims with 205/50-15 Falken Azenis or 16" rims with 215/45-16 Azenis. They are BY FAR the best bang for the buck, and the only tires with better dry traction are BFG KDs which cost about twice as much.
As I've said in other threads, I'm getting a set of 225/45-17 Azenis put on my MSP tomorrow, and I'll let you know how they fit. I've got an autox this coming weekend, too so I can get some solid feedback on how well they do when worked hard too (at least as far as rubbing goes...) I can tell you now that the grip they give is GREAT, but that it will take either 2 or 3 autoxs OR a couple hundred miles of hard street driving to get them up to their full potential. They need to be broken in to grip their best.
Keep them COOL on the autox: they DO NOT LIKE HEAT. AT ALL. I usually spray my front tires with water after each run to cool them off. I've seen the grip go away and the tires get greasy if they are over about 130F. Yes, I use a pyrometer. Like my sig says, I'm an autox fiend
cjstringer
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KBicknel said:
You didn't bother me, I know I'm broke!
cjstringer
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I agree 100% with scapamouche. Run your stocks until you learn how to drive the car right. Tires will just be an expensive mistake. You will be able to make bigger mistakes at higher speeds with less warning. Not the best way to learn how to drive.
Stick with stock rubber for at LEAST half of the season and learn how to drive the car. I can guarantee nobody has an MSP totally figured out yet.
Stick with stock rubber for at LEAST half of the season and learn how to drive the car. I can guarantee nobody has an MSP totally figured out yet.
Sure Nattyboy513, you could steal whatever you want. Took the pics for the enjoyment of everyone. And yes it was in Real Time! 
Even felt alot faster in the car then it looked outside the car.
In my region, competition is a little too hot in DS. People get way too serious. At least in STX, it's usually a bunch of amateur tuners just out for a fun Sunday afternoon. You guys covered all of the questions great. I do agree. UNless you are seriously competing for year end points where every split second is important to you, just run the car as it came from the factory until you get used to it. Just remmeber to use a little more air pressure so the tires do not roll over too far. Mine definitely went too far running 39psi on all 4.
Even felt alot faster in the car then it looked outside the car.In my region, competition is a little too hot in DS. People get way too serious. At least in STX, it's usually a bunch of amateur tuners just out for a fun Sunday afternoon.
You guys covered all of the questions great. I do agree. UNless you are seriously competing for year end points where every split second is important to you, just run the car as it came from the factory until you get used to it. Just remmeber to use a little more air pressure so the tires do not roll over too far. Mine definitely went too far running 39psi on all 4.scapamouche
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They have a treadwear rating of 200. I'd expect to get about 10k out of a set if you autocross fairly regularly, less with multiple drivers, more if you take it easy. The only other drawback on the street besides the deep water problme is noise: they are NOT quiet tires to drive on. Despite the stiff sidewall, they DO ride pretty comfortably, though...
With no autox, and not much abuse, you could probably get about 15k before they start getting dangersous in the wet. There will still be lots of traction, but not enough tread to evacuate the water.
With no autox, and not much abuse, you could probably get about 15k before they start getting dangersous in the wet. There will still be lots of traction, but not enough tread to evacuate the water.
Sorry guys... Some people have been asking me where all of the pictures went. Well, I moved them all to an autocross folder so I had a consistent place to store everything for this coming season. Below are the new links for the MSP pics. All of the autocross pics are going to be stored under www.haydu.com/autox so hopefully will have some new ones for everyone after the 4/13 event! Have a Great Weekend!
Some pics and a small movie:
http://www.haydu.com/autox/Autox031603/msp2.JPG
http://www.haydu.com/autox/Autox031603/msp3.JPG
http://www.haydu.com/autox/Autox031603/msp4.JPG
http://www.haydu.com/autox/Autox031603/msp5.JPG
http://www.haydu.com/autox/Autox031603/msp6.JPG
http://www.haydu.com/autox/Autox031603/msp7.JPG
http://www.haydu.com/autox/Autox031603/msp8.JPG
http://www.haydu.com/autox/Autox031603/msp9.JPG
http://www.haydu.com/autox/Autox031603/msp91.JPG
http://www.haydu.com/autox/Autox031603/msp93.JPG
http://www.haydu.com/autox/Autox031603/mspmovie.MPG
Have a Great Weekend!Some pics and a small movie:
http://www.haydu.com/autox/Autox031603/msp2.JPG
http://www.haydu.com/autox/Autox031603/msp3.JPG
http://www.haydu.com/autox/Autox031603/msp4.JPG
http://www.haydu.com/autox/Autox031603/msp5.JPG
http://www.haydu.com/autox/Autox031603/msp6.JPG
http://www.haydu.com/autox/Autox031603/msp7.JPG
http://www.haydu.com/autox/Autox031603/msp8.JPG
http://www.haydu.com/autox/Autox031603/msp9.JPG
http://www.haydu.com/autox/Autox031603/msp91.JPG
http://www.haydu.com/autox/Autox031603/msp93.JPG
http://www.haydu.com/autox/Autox031603/mspmovie.MPG
