Help Me Decide: CX-5 vs. CR-V
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More positives than negatives is always good
Yep! But, it's really not even that close. Some of those positives are deal breakers as negatives.
There are some competing cars that might be worth a look, Forester for kicks, saw a Sportage the other day, and like the looks from the side, maybe bump up and look at a RDX but the latter two have poorer dealer coverage. I think there are 3 Kia dealers in the Bay Area. Acura dealers are pretty hard to find too. Subaru dealers aren't so bad, just go to the Mazda dealer.
I'm not even considering something like the RAV4 or the Rogue. I've had a Nissan, and no way, and the Toyota's seem like a granny car.
Has anyone else looked into what the differences are in auto insurance costs between the CRV & CX-5? I asked my insurance agent and the CRV would be about $24 a year cheaper than the CX-5 for 250/500/250 coverage. I'm not saying people should make a choice based off of which vehicle has cheaper insurance, but it may be something to think about for some.
Over here the RAV4 or Rogue (known as X-Trail) are considered alternatives but they are a few rungs below in terms of quality, driving characteristics etc.
Kia Sportage & its twin Hyundai Tucson are an alternative - Tucson is closer sales wise but still behind the CX-5
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NelsonLewis
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Yea, no crap. If you can't afford a small insurance hike, then you probably shouldn't buy a new car. Just an FYI, I was totally happy with insurance on the CX-5. It's only $150 more a year than a 15 year old vehicle it replaced. That's a win in my book...
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I pay $800/yr. pretty sure my deductibles and coverages are reasonable.
No accidents no tickets....
No accidents no tickets....
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I'm paying around $2400/year, but that also includes life insurance (25K), hospital income (I "make" $100/day that I am hospitalized), limits as high as my state allows (not sure, but on the order of 250/500/250, maybe it's 125/250/125, I know this state (AR) didn't allow limits as high as I was used to, renter's insurance (500K or something liability?), and every firearm, optic, suppressor, WML, etc. that I own is also covered under the policy for replacement cost, 100%.
The auto alone is something like $90/mo even with the very high limits. 31/M/spotless record
Just curious, why is The CX5 so popular in Australia? Even mazda in general? Is it regarded as the next Toyota in terms of reliability there?
I'm guessing because Aussies are not so obsessed with bigness, don't worry about rust, drive fewer miles/kms, and have more sporting taste? One of the most frequent criticisms of Mazda around this part of the US is rust. Probably the same in Canada. The other one I hear all the time is size. Mazda's tend to have less usable interior volume than the best sellers in their segment. CR-Vs, RAV4s, Escapes et al keep getting bigger and roomier with each redesign because Americans like their stuff supersized. Big houses, big cars, big meals, big gulps. Australians, on average, buy smaller vehicles. The population is more concentrated in urban centers, and smaller cars are easier to park, easier to maneuver, and cheaper. Another thing Americans like is highway comfort. Americans and Canadians lead the world in annual vehicle miles/kms traveled per vehicle. Australians don't spend as much time in their cars and don't drive as fast on highways, so a plush ride and quiet cabin at highway speeds aren't as much of a priority I think.
I lived in Australia 2010-2013, and one of the immediate things that struck me when I moved back to the US was that our roads are full of large, tall vehicles. If you go back 20 years, sedans ruled the roads and a vehicle like the CX-5 would be considered a family hauler. Now people think of it as a commuter car. In Australia, it could still pass as a family hauler.
I lived in Australia 2010-2013, and one of the immediate things that struck me when I moved back to the US was that our roads are full of large, tall vehicles. If you go back 20 years, sedans ruled the roads and a vehicle like the CX-5 would be considered a family hauler. Now people think of it as a commuter car. In Australia, it could still pass as a family hauler.
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Lucky bastards. My auto insurance is about $1740/year. And that's with $1000 collision, $100 comp deductibles. No tickets, no accidents that would raise my rates (did get rear-ended in 2015, other guy's fault). 
Works out to $145/mo. If I dropped my collision down to $500 it goes way up.
And after shopping around, it's still the cheapest insurance I can get by at least $20/mo.
And 4 years later...my vehicle registration is still $300 this year
Works out to $145/mo. If I dropped my collision down to $500 it goes way up.
And after shopping around, it's still the cheapest insurance I can get by at least $20/mo.
And 4 years later...my vehicle registration is still $300 this year
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Lucky bastards. My auto insurance is about $1740/year. And that's with $1000 collision, $100 comp deductibles. No tickets, no accidents that would raise my rates (did get rear-ended in 2015, other guy's fault).
Works out to $145/mo. If I dropped my collision down to $500 it goes way up.
And after shopping around, it's still the cheapest insurance I can get by at least $20/mo.
And 4 years later...my vehicle registration is still $300 this year
I pay similar taxes
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Lucky bastards. My auto insurance is about $1740/year. And that's with $1000 collision, $100 comp deductibles. No tickets, no accidents that would raise my rates (did get rear-ended in 2015, other guy's fault).
Works out to $145/mo. If I dropped my collision down to $500 it goes way up.
And after shopping around, it's still the cheapest insurance I can get by at least $20/mo.
And 4 years later...my vehicle registration is still $300 this year
Back when I had my VR4 and was about your age, my insurance was ~$3,600/year. Turned 25 and bam, it went down to $1,800/year.
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Mine did nothing when I hit 25. I called and checked and everything. Nope! Same rates.
But I guess it's a win that I wasn't paying $3600 before 25.
Because the RAV4 is considered a white good item ie bland and boring. Mazda's are considered reliable here.
Yes and no. We used to be obsessed with large sedans but now a days most people buy an SUV ranging from small such as CX-3 to large such as CX-9/Kluger(Highlander). We don't drive fewer miles/kms here. We are spread out.
A misconception. If we bought smaller cars, then the top selling vehicles would be Mazda3/Toyota Corolla. Yes those 2 are in the top ten vehicles sold (fleet sales counts for the bulk of Corolla sales) . Currently these are Toyota Hilux/Ford Ranger (utility or as you say pick ups). Infact 6 of the top telling vehicles last month were utes and SUVs. Yes our population is in urban areas but these are sprawling out so more and more people are travelling from outer suburbs to reach the city and inner suburbs. Plus our roads are subpar compared to yours. And don't get me started on traffic congestion!
Yes it is considered a family vehicle because SUV's allow stuff to be tossed in the back, still have room for a family with the added bonus of the higher driving position.
You made me look it up
Regarding miles/kms traveled, check out page 12:
https://bitre.gov.au/publications/2012/files/report_128.pdf
I know you've got traffic congestion. I lived in Sydney. It was congested for sure, but not to the same degree as some of the major US metropolitan areas I've lived in or spent time driving around, or London where I lived briefly. And the worst I've seen (but not driven thankfully) has been in Shanghai and Tokyo. Most of the really bad traffic I encountered around Sydney was due to a wreck, or summer weekend traffic coming back into the city through construction zones. My commute was slow, but moving. Every once in a while there would be a bad wreck in the wrong spot, e.g. closing the harbour tunnel for a while, and that would blow everything up and turn a 45m commute into 2-3 hours. And there were certain choke points (e.g. Spit bridge) that would always be a problem. But overall it wasn't as bad as Sydneysiders made it out to be. Perhaps Melbourne is worse?
Top selling cars in Australia, 2016 (source):
1. Toyota HiLux
2. Toyota Corolla
3. Hyundai i30
4. Ford Ranger
5. Mazda3
6. Toyota Camry
7. Holden Commodore
8. Mazda CX-5
9. Mitsubishi Triton
10. Hyundai Tucson
And the same for the US (source):
1. Ford F-Series
2. Chevrolet Silverado
3. Dodge Ram
4. Toyota Camry
5. Toyota Corolla
6. Honda Civic
7. Honda CR-V
8. Toyota RAV4
9. Honda Accord
10. Nissan Rogue
So not as big of a difference as I thought. I guess my personal observations are a bit off on this one. The US rankings surprise me because I literally never see Toyota Corollas around here. and not a lot of new Camrys and Accords either (a lot of old Camrys though). On my commute, I see mostly SUVs/CUVs, pickup trucks, and minivans. Maybe 1 in 5 vehicles is a sedan or hatchback. When I lived in Sydney the traffic was mostly sedans, hatchbacks, small SUVs, some wagons and utes. The Kluger would be one of the larger vehicles I would see in Sydney, whereas the Highlander is in the middle of the size range I see around here.
Regarding miles/kms traveled, check out page 12:
https://bitre.gov.au/publications/2012/files/report_128.pdf
I know you've got traffic congestion. I lived in Sydney. It was congested for sure, but not to the same degree as some of the major US metropolitan areas I've lived in or spent time driving around, or London where I lived briefly. And the worst I've seen (but not driven thankfully) has been in Shanghai and Tokyo. Most of the really bad traffic I encountered around Sydney was due to a wreck, or summer weekend traffic coming back into the city through construction zones. My commute was slow, but moving. Every once in a while there would be a bad wreck in the wrong spot, e.g. closing the harbour tunnel for a while, and that would blow everything up and turn a 45m commute into 2-3 hours. And there were certain choke points (e.g. Spit bridge) that would always be a problem. But overall it wasn't as bad as Sydneysiders made it out to be. Perhaps Melbourne is worse?
Top selling cars in Australia, 2016 (source):
1. Toyota HiLux
2. Toyota Corolla
3. Hyundai i30
4. Ford Ranger
5. Mazda3
6. Toyota Camry
7. Holden Commodore
8. Mazda CX-5
9. Mitsubishi Triton
10. Hyundai Tucson
And the same for the US (source):
1. Ford F-Series
2. Chevrolet Silverado
3. Dodge Ram
4. Toyota Camry
5. Toyota Corolla
6. Honda Civic
7. Honda CR-V
8. Toyota RAV4
9. Honda Accord
10. Nissan Rogue
So not as big of a difference as I thought. I guess my personal observations are a bit off on this one. The US rankings surprise me because I literally never see Toyota Corollas around here. and not a lot of new Camrys and Accords either (a lot of old Camrys though). On my commute, I see mostly SUVs/CUVs, pickup trucks, and minivans. Maybe 1 in 5 vehicles is a sedan or hatchback. When I lived in Sydney the traffic was mostly sedans, hatchbacks, small SUVs, some wagons and utes. The Kluger would be one of the larger vehicles I would see in Sydney, whereas the Highlander is in the middle of the size range I see around here.
You made me look it up
Regarding miles/kms traveled, check out page 12:
https://bitre.gov.au/publications/2012/files/report_128.pdf
I know you've got traffic congestion. I lived in Sydney. It was congested for sure, but not to the same degree as some of the major US metropolitan areas I've lived in or spent time driving around, or London where I lived briefly. And the worst I've seen (but not driven thankfully) has been in Shanghai and Tokyo. Most of the really bad traffic I encountered around Sydney was due to a wreck, or summer weekend traffic coming back into the city through construction zones. My commute was slow, but moving. Every once in a while there would be a bad wreck in the wrong spot, e.g. closing the harbour tunnel for a while, and that would blow everything up and turn a 45m commute into 2-3 hours. And there were certain choke points (e.g. Spit bridge) that would always be a problem. But overall it wasn't as bad as Sydneysiders made it out to be. Perhaps Melbourne is worse?
It has steadily gotten worse since you have been here plus all the new constructions happening with regards to major infrastructure and on top of that, most weekends everybody is now going out therefore Monday - Friday traffic now is occuring on weekends. There are more weekend clearways now inforce than ever before.
This year is different. More and SUV's and utes are being sold
Top 10 for April 2017 (source)
- Toyota HiLux 3430
- Ford Ranger 3120
- Toyota Corolla 2555
- Mazda 3 2313
- Mazda CX-5 2166
- Hyundai i30 1979
- Toyota Camry 1885
- Holden Colorado 1824
- Toyota LandCruiser 1629
- Hyundai Tucson 1530
The Camry will become fully imported by years end and it remains to be seen if generous fleet discounts will still be offered. My guess is another SUV/Ute will reside in the top 10.
The CX-5 I believe will still continue as the number 1 SUV here in OZ as from what I read, interest in it has been very high. Most of the reviews here have been positive about the KF.
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