2016 bmw x1

[SK77X]

Xtrailman, the decisions seems fairly simple. If money/value-for-money is not a top consideration, then the new X1 would be the way to go. I think you'd have to go check out the X1 in person just to make sure it has enough cargo space for your needs...but from what I've read so far, it has a better diesel engine, more pulling power, is likely to handle at least as good as the CX-5 (regardless of it's now FWD, BMW will make it handle well)....and it's newer, and probably built a bit better.

If you're losing confidence in the CX-5 diesel, I imagine going with a BMW diesel would be a better option since they have a number of diesel engines available in Europe (meaning, they have plenty of experience/development in making a reliable diesel motor, whereas Mazda is still relatively new to it).

Of course you're going to have to pay more to get a well-optioned X1, but from the sounds of things that doesn't seem like a deal-breaker for you.

But above all else, take the new X1 for a test drive and see how you like it.

 

[xtrailman]

When its available I will, probably more than one, in fact I've asked if I can have a car for a couple of days.

I did have four test drives in my CX-5 before committing.
If the car is good enough then I need to decide which engine to go for, petrol perhaps, its a long time since I had an engine that you couldn't hear running on tick over.

 

[littlebear]

I do agree that the Mazda diesels are not that great and have suffered a lot of issues. They ceased production in the USA. Mazda is taking a risk with the diesels and the design has proven problematic for them. I would trust a BMW diesel over a Mazda diesel, that is for sure. The Germans know how to make diesel engines. Mazda should stick to gasoline and maybe even turbos. The new CX9 is supposedly going to be gas turbo 2.5L pushing in the 250-290HP range.

 

[Dr_Watson]

You should test drive both cars, get them for a whole day at least, and go from there. The CX-5 is my wifes car, I drive it once a week. This evening, I had to go to Stuggart and back, it still puts a smile on my face, onto the motorway Auffahrt in 4th gear, keep the foot down from 25mph and you are doing 115mph in no time, and not even touching the red line, then 6th gear, 115mph for the next 10 miles, very quiet and composed. I have been in an X1, and it was no where near as refined and fun or composed as the CX-5, granted, the higher level diesels probably are, but they cost . This car is a real highway cruiser, seem opposite to what a lot of the guys in the USA say, but sitting at 3500rpm at an indicated 120mph is so easy and relaxed (the road was quiet, inside the cabin was quiet, meaning my wife wasn't with me to tell me to slow down !).

Just to add, my mates 320d was brand new, was in the garage with a few weeks as is was stinking like rotten eggs every so often, turns out, he was only driving 5km to work and the dpf regen was not completing properly, sound familiar! He was told to do some long journeys once in a while. It's a nice car, the door handles have lights on them, the only real trump card though, that's just posh!

But my new CX5 LED lights beat that now though!

 

[MikeM.]

This car is a real highway cruiser, seem opposite to what a lot of the guys in the USA say, but sitting at 3500rpm at an indicated 120mph is so easy and relaxed (the road was quiet, inside the cabin was quiet, meaning my wife wasn't with me to tell me to slow down !).

To clarify my earlier comments about high speed cruising, the CX-5 has the suspension to be competent on super-highways at higher speeds but not the aerodynamics or low center of gravity. A sedan or coupe will typically have less drag which will lead to considerably higher mpg at speeds above 80-100mph. And most sedans will have less wind noise and higher margin of safety when it comes to roll-overs due to the sedan's lower center of gravity.

 

[Dr_Watson]

Mike, I wasn't thinking of a particular comment, just some comments I read in general. Your statement is very true, but I was a little surprised that there seems to be a general understanding that the CX5 in the USA isnt a good choice if you are doing a lot of highway mileage. The 2016 model is much quieter than the early model, I find road noise very low, on par with some previous cars I had that were class leading in refinement. For my own vehicle, I have a feeling that the tyres may be playing a big part though. The 17" geolanders were pretty loud compared to "normal" tyres I had on previous cars, I also had Nokian line SUV tyres put on not long before I changed car, they were also quiet noisy. My new car has 19" tyres, Toyo Proxes, they seem to be much quieter.

The diesel mileage drops off at higher speeds as expected, but still returns about 26mpg at 100mph cruise which is good. Super highways in Germany are pretty special if you get a quiet enough road, at high speeds, mileage is simply crap, no other way to describe it, nobody complains about that though, is the drivers choice. Above 100mph, I don't find wind noise any more than small sedan cars.

 

[MikeM.]

The diesel mileage drops off at higher speeds as expected, but still returns about 26mpg at 100mph cruise which is good.

Knowing the frontal area, the Cd and the thermal efficiency of the diesel engine, it is impossible to get 26 mpg at a sustained 100 mph without a tailwind. But, if you are talking a trip average of 26 mpg with varying speeds up to 100 mph, then that's doable and then some.

If I'm going to be cruising that fast I prefer to be in a vehicle that's not shaped like a brick with 8.5" of turbulence underneath.

 

[Dr_Watson]

Maybe I have my maths wrong, the consumption is no more than 9l / 100km from what I remember.

 

[xtrailman]

I get around 38mpg at speeds between 80 to 90 MPH, but mines manual, also on the 19" toyo.

I've never thought the CX-5 was a first pick for high speeds, and always found the fuel returns disappointing, it much better IMO on A and B roads.
I've had 55mpg a few times driving steady.

 

[Unobtanium]

To clarify my earlier comments about high speed cruising, the CX-5 has the suspension to be competent on super-highways at higher speeds but not the aerodynamics or low center of gravity. A sedan or coupe will typically have less drag which will lead to considerably higher mpg at speeds above 80-100mph. And most sedans will have less wind noise and higher margin of safety when it comes to roll-overs due to the sedan's lower center of gravity.

Yep, and this is why the Bavarians so love their wagons.

 

[123373]

I haven't read anything about poor handling with the 2016 X1, do you have a link?

If it handles as good as the old one no issues! Also as an FYI it is built on a FWD platform, but has the ability to shift 100% of its power to the rear wheels.

 

[123373]

Very true. Nothing worse than having an excess of power with sub-standard handling.

Lol you guys crack me up! Keep them coming.(drunk)

 

[boandlkramer]

In my opinion, BMWs have really lost their luster over the last 5 or so years. The ultimate driving machine they are not. The current/older generation X1 is not really all that engaging to drive. I'm used to the 90's and early 200's BMWs that had that great blend of handling/power/and feel. The CX-5 in terms of driving enjoyment, beats the current X1. Maybe not on refinement and interior quality but I guess that depends on what you are looking for.

I'm not sure how the new X1 with a front wheel drive platform will preform (probably worse) It's gotten to the point that the only enjoyable BMWs are the M division. I do miss their old products. RWD, nice sounding inline 6 with decent power, and an exellent feeling shifter.

That's my opinion if you don't factor in cost/value. On that not, I wouldn't consider a BMW except maybe on a lease where you are out of the car before the real problems start.

Agree....I guess I'm old school. I'm not interested in Buying a BMW manufactured outside of Germany. I was clear with my CA about my E90, I was prepared to not accept delivery of a South Africa E90. Fortunately the production number was associated with a Regensburg build, which is about 40 minutes from where I live.

But back to the original post after shopping the X1 I just couldn't overcome my bias about the Greer, SC BMWs.

As far as the CX5 on the autobahn, as you can see from my profile pic, it's adequate.

I have to say while cool looking, the new full LED headlights on the new BMWS are superior.

 

[SirWanker]

Have you considered the 2016 Landrover Discovery Sport?

 

[boandlkramer]

Or Evoq


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[xtrailman]

No really interested in LR products a long history of being unreliable, although the latest ones appear to be improved, reports of poor dealers high servicing costs. Poor fuel economy.

Also read reports from OWNERS that say the evogue is dire to drive, and the DS will not take a spare wheel along with a tow bar apparently! Besides which they are too wide to get into my garage, I have a double garage but with two 2.1 M wide entrances.
I have to fold the door mirrors to get the CX-5 in and out.

 

[xtrailman]

X1 is made in Leipzig Germany so passes your criteria.

I'm the same with the Japanese cars only buy those made in japan.

Agree....I guess I'm old school. I'm not interested in Buying a BMW manufactured outside of Germany. I was clear with my CA about my E90, I was prepared to not accept delivery of a South Africa E90. Fortunately the production number was associated with a Regensburg build, which is about 40 minutes from where I live.

But back to the original post after shopping the X1 I just couldn't overcome my bias about the Greer, SC BMWs.

As far as the CX5 on the autobahn, as you can see from my profile pic, it's adequate.

I have to say while cool looking, the new full LED headlights on the new BMWS are superior.

 

[boandlkramer]

X1 is made in Leipzig Germany so passes your criteria.

I'm the same with the Japanese cars only buy those made in japan.

That's interesting, I wonder why they have bucked the trend with this one?

Back to the CX-5, is this true? "They are assembled in hiroshima & the powertrains are from nagasaki"

 

[littlebear]

That's interesting, I wonder why they have bucked the trend with this one?

Back to the CX-5, is this true? "They are assembled in hiroshima & the powertrains are from nagasaki"

Yes, that is accurate.

 

[xtrailman]

I do know VW makes cars in all number of countries, and Mazda I believe intend a plant in China.

Although these cars are generally only assembled in these plants, sometimes the assembly isn't as good, I remember reading about poorly made S. African Golfs years ago.
In the UK Honda, Toyota, and Nissan assemble cars, things like the paint for the Honda are sometimes or were sourced locally.

I just think the Japanese and German plants appear to have superior QC.

Ironic really has they both lost the last war, but then got new plants as a reward.