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Piasini Tune...where do I get this?
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For sure. Since cue is reading up on it on the other forum, I'm going to wait alittle for him to start some dialougue about the flash based on what he gathers from the logs and dyno charts
So far I've only seen 2 DH logs...
1)RPM, speed, KR, Boost, AFR
Comments:
- The boost is impressive, and the AFR's are running nice at higer than 11.
- Don't like the 1 gear log
- and the KR line is not showing.... it looks like it was turned off (to not show on the graph)
2)RPM, KR, Rel TPS, Boost, AFR
- Again, boost and AFR is good
- KR is good in this one too, but again it's 1 gear pull, and it went from 2700rpm to 5500rpm in 13 seconds???... that's way too long.
Theres def some good things about the tune, but still I would like to see a 1st to 4th 5600rpm pull (which should take about 17-19 seconds to do all 4 gears).
so from what youve seen. how would you compare it to some of the AP logs guys have posted that have more mods?
Well, the boost is very similar at 17-20, but with the AP most tunes are running a bit leaner (12.5). I've seen 3 gear pulls and they're pretty impressive. These logs showed afr, rpm, boost, kr with no issues. If I can see something similar to these with the Piasini, then I'll agree with that too. Other benefits too though is there are different maps available depending on your setup.
With the CX7's though, theyre data logs run with impressive boost, but at less than 10 AFR's... and border line fuel pressure issues. Under 10 at WOT in a raised boost condition on a CX7 will definitely require an upgraded fuel pump. That I don't like, and that's all I've seen for the CX7
so the tune looks good so far to you? i wonder how the tune will work with a fully bolted car
I would imagine with a fully bolted car, the tune would need to run a bit richer (low to mid 11's) to avoid detonation. I'd like to know how much timing is being pulled with the AP maps and Piasini at those AFR's and boost levels. The nice thing with the AP is the tunability...
I'll speak for the standback, cause this is what I have....
Cons - Too expensive with pnp, very time consuming, and can seriously **** s*** up if you don't know what your doing.
Pros - 2 map switch, warranty proof, detailed grids for AFR MAF BOOST METH FUEL PRESSURE, and obviously tunability. You can tune to whatever mods you have, weather changes, fuel (octanes), altitude. Some even do fuel saving maps, harmless maps (for when someone else drives it), and some have even thought of the idea as a theft deterrent (supply no fuel, car won't start)..
The AP has great reviews and mixed reviews, but the users with the 'right combo' (maps and mods) have excellent results... From what I have seen, I can confidently say this is a good option to go with.
and... SP???
Cons - Too expensive with pnp, very time consuming, and can seriously **** s*** up if you don't know what your doing.
Pros - 2 map switch, warranty proof, detailed grids for AFR MAF BOOST METH FUEL PRESSURE, and obviously tunability. You can tune to whatever mods you have, weather changes, fuel (octanes), altitude. Some even do fuel saving maps, harmless maps (for when someone else drives it), and some have even thought of the idea as a theft deterrent (supply no fuel, car won't start)..
The AP has great reviews and mixed reviews, but the users with the 'right combo' (maps and mods) have excellent results... From what I have seen, I can confidently say this is a good option to go with.
and... SP???
The logs posted by the Piasini are old and questionable to say the least. They were done on a car with very few mods and there are NO logs or Dyno's from a car running full bolt-ons. There are decent gains to be had for sure, but still you have to ask is it worth the money in the long run.
My buddy tried the Piasini with full bolt-ons (Only thing he does not have is a bigger turbo). He came to my house to use my DashHawk because it didn't feel right. We took the car for a highway run and the max Boost I saw was 14PSI in 4th. The best run we got was a 1st through 4th and the highest boost we saw was 16PSI for that run. Now maybe it was his car but considering he has a AP now and has no boost issues using it, I really don't think so.
I guarantee you that the flash will NOT learn as it goes and adjust to your mods as you add them. It's imposable for this to happen.
So in a nut shell. If you plan to stay stock or simi-stock, then the Piasini might work for you. If you can deal with the support issues associated with it. However, if you plan to mod with full bolt-ons, I would suggest another form of tuning. 11 AFR's are not that great, you should be shooting for 12 to 12.3. There are also no logs with LTFT's for the Piasini which is something I would love to see.
I agree with CUE on the SB (Expensive to go with the full options and time consuming) and with the AP.
I will speak from the AP stand point. As long as your not at a 4k plus elevation, running an Injen CAI or have a Catless DP, you should be fine with the OTS map that fits your mods. You don't have to have Cobb only equipment. Pretty much an SRi is an SRi, A DP is a DP and a FMIC is a FMIC. There may be minor differences between them yes, but not enough to make a huge difference.
My buddy tried the Piasini with full bolt-ons (Only thing he does not have is a bigger turbo). He came to my house to use my DashHawk because it didn't feel right. We took the car for a highway run and the max Boost I saw was 14PSI in 4th. The best run we got was a 1st through 4th and the highest boost we saw was 16PSI for that run. Now maybe it was his car but considering he has a AP now and has no boost issues using it, I really don't think so.
I guarantee you that the flash will NOT learn as it goes and adjust to your mods as you add them. It's imposable for this to happen.
So in a nut shell. If you plan to stay stock or simi-stock, then the Piasini might work for you. If you can deal with the support issues associated with it. However, if you plan to mod with full bolt-ons, I would suggest another form of tuning. 11 AFR's are not that great, you should be shooting for 12 to 12.3. There are also no logs with LTFT's for the Piasini which is something I would love to see.
I agree with CUE on the SB (Expensive to go with the full options and time consuming) and with the AP.
I will speak from the AP stand point. As long as your not at a 4k plus elevation, running an Injen CAI or have a Catless DP, you should be fine with the OTS map that fits your mods. You don't have to have Cobb only equipment. Pretty much an SRi is an SRi, A DP is a DP and a FMIC is a FMIC. There may be minor differences between them yes, but not enough to make a huge difference.
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The injen CAI causes issues with the AP ?? Thats news to me. I heard a few stories on Nano's having issues.
Yeah there are a few posts about it. The Injen and Catless DP are the 2 big things. There is a fix for the Injen though. All you have to do is message Christian and he will update your map for it. At least he use too. There is no fix for the overboost due to the catless DP as far as I know.
Other than that, mods are mods and all will work (within reason).
The logs posted by the Piasini are old and questionable to say the least. They were done on a car with very few mods and there are NO logs or Dyno's from a car running full bolt-ons. There are decent gains to be had for sure, but still you have to ask is it worth the money in the long run.
My buddy tried the Piasini with full bolt-ons (Only thing he does not have is a bigger turbo). He came to my house to use my DashHawk because it didn't feel right. We took the car for a highway run and the max Boost I saw was 14PSI in 4th. The best run we got was a 1st through 4th and the highest boost we saw was 16PSI for that run. Now maybe it was his car but considering he has a AP now and has no boost issues using it, I really don't think so.
I guarantee you that the flash will NOT learn as it goes and adjust to your mods as you add them. It's imposable for this to happen.
So in a nut shell. If you plan to stay stock or simi-stock, then the Piasini might work for you. If you can deal with the support issues associated with it. However, if you plan to mod with full bolt-ons, I would suggest another form of tuning. 11 AFR's are not that great, you should be shooting for 12 to 12.3. There are also no logs with LTFT's for the Piasini which is something I would love to see.
I agree with CUE on the SB (Expensive to go with the full options and time consuming) and with the AP.
I will speak from the AP stand point. As long as your not at a 4k plus elevation, running an Injen CAI or have a Catless DP, you should be fine with the OTS map that fits your mods. You don't have to have Cobb only equipment. Pretty much an SRi is an SRi, A DP is a DP and a FMIC is a FMIC. There may be minor differences between them yes, but not enough to make a huge difference.
Why do you keep saying the ap doesn't work at high elevation. Cobb is in salt lake city at High elevation. The ap works at high elevation that is all there is to it.
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Anyways, for everyone's info...got a PM back from nypest yesterday and he's no longer doing the mail-in flash. If you want it from him you will have to go to his shop.
Why do you keep saying the ap doesn't work at high elevation. Cobb is in salt lake city at High elevation. The ap works at high elevation that is all there is to it.
Maybe because one of the requirements to help build the Maps for Cobb was an almost zero elevation. At least I know for a fact that the 103_91_Oct _FMIC Stage2_CA Map was done on a car at almost no elevation as I was the one who built it.
Cobb may be at a high elevation, but that does NOT mean the map was designed at that elevation. Now that also does not mean that the map will not work. I'm not sure how much our ECU can compensate for elevation. I think they required a lower elevation as (correct me if I'm wrong here) going from low to high you will lose boost/power but if the map was created for 5k elevation and you used it at 56ft (like in my case) you would be over boosting and could cause damage I would think. I could be wrong again, just guessing.
I guess you're right to a degree. They can use it, but I would not expect to get the results that I have using it due to the higher elevation.
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No matter what you do you will have less power at high elevation. The ecu is perfectly capable of compensating for this making the proper adjustments when going to high elevation. You will just have less boost pressure because the air is lower density. Cobb was looking for beta testers a sea level because they are able to do the testing themselves at high elevation not because the ap does not work on cars at higher elevations. You will still get more power than stock.
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