Motor mounts - CP-E vs Medieval

[Trader]

I think I have narrowed it down to these two mounts. Any comparisons of them regarding which one would cause the most vibrations? I am looking for the least amount of vibrations but do not want to go with the inserts.

http://medievalllc.com/oscommerce/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=51_55&products_id=67

http://www.cp-e.com/2049.html

I know the CP-e uses 60 durometer rubber and the Medieval uses 65 durometer hot poor urethane.

Medieval claims """This new material holds like a 100 durameter, but contains anti vibration molecules that keep 85% of the harmonics in the bushing (less cabin vibrations). """" ????

The Medieval piece does not look that much different than the SU piece which uses 62A durometer urethane.



Anyways if anybody has compared these two or has opinions, that would be helpful.

 

[arkenzo]

CP-E Motormount, buy nothing else!

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[08cosmic3]

I have the Medieval, installed several weeks ago. I had the inserts before and the Medieval is an improvement but comes with more vibes. The mount seems to be settling down or I'm just getting used to the extra vibes, probably a little of both. The car felt more "solid" after installing the mount. I won't be going back to anything softer.

 

[StealthWyvern]

I have the Medieval, installed several weeks ago. I had the inserts before and the Medieval is an improvement but comes with more vibes. The mount seems to be settling down or I'm just getting used to the extra vibes, probably a little of both. The car felt more "solid" after installing the mount. I won't be going back to anything softer.

Your just getting used to it im sure. Mine haven't settled down in the last 8k nor the 20k I put on my last pro with solid mounts.

 

[fructus]

If you want stock level vibrations level, which is virtually none, go with CP-E.
If you don't mind moderate vibes, go with TRZ Poly. I've noticed that TRZ Poly mount "sends" most of vibrations to the center dash and only at certain RPM level (somewhere between 1K and 2K), while SU mount (and Medieval is probably the same since it's constructed the same way) "sends" most of vibrations into the steering column even at idle, which I find much more annoying.
If you want the most performance you have to get both TRZ mounts, the rear and the side one.
I may try combining CP-E rear with TRZ side when I get my CP-E mount back from repair.

 

[arkenzo]

If you want stock level vibrations level, which is virtually none, go with CP-E.
If you don't mind moderate vibes, go with TRZ Poly. I've noticed that TRZ Poly mount "sends" most of vibrations to the center dash and only at certain RPM level (somewhere between 2K and 3K), while SU mount (and Medieval is probably the same since it's constructed the same way) "sends" most of vibrations into the driving column even at idle, which I find much more annoying.
If you want the most performance you have to get both TRZ mounts, the rear and the side one.
I may try combining CP-E rear with TRZ side when I get my CP-E mount back from repair.

Passenger Side Mount, Transmission Side Mount and Rear Motor Mount.

Which one are you referring to. Technically speaking, they're all side mounts, please be more specific.

 

[fructus]

The only one TRZ has developed so far is the transmission mount.

 

[Sport6]

I have the Medieval Rear mount and love it. Its not bad as far as vibrations go. You only really notice them when you first start the car or if you are really low in the rpms in a higher gear. Say below 2k in 6th. Very good mount as far as I am concerned. Gear changes are much better, no slop. I never launched the car so I can't tell you if there's any less wheel hop.

 

[tru-boost]

I wont harp on this but this is my opinion take it for what it is. Medieval uses soft poly. Do you know what hapens to soft poly? For one it does not offer great support. For two when it gets cold it is very brittle. Thats how i destroyed two AWR mounts racing in cold temps. Also the 2 piece bolt together design like SU scares me. Something supporting my driveline should not be bolted together. And cpe... Well so far a whole bunch of them have failed. Rubber is not the answer. Thats why not other aftermarket companies use it, for ANY car. TRZ has proven to be the only reliable option that does its job and deosnt break.

 

[08cosmic3]

The TRZ is multiple pieces welded together. I have not read that any SU mounts have failed with the two bolts system. I have read about the CPE's failing. I almost got the TRZ but decided to try the new Medieval mount which I got for $90 shipped.

 

[tru-boost]

I havent heard of the 2 bolt system failing either but it just doesn sound good. If i get a choice of a bolt or solid welded construction, i'll take the weld ever time. I have heard of a few SU mount bushings failing though. For the lower mount that is the key... The bushing. Rubber is a horrible idea and many of these companies are not using the right type or quality polurethane. TRZ are suspension and mount specialists, its what they do. If there stuff handles 1000+HP drag cars, it will handle our grocery getting wagons.

 

[guy_incognito]

For those concerned about the strength of a two piece system, Medieval did some testing, and showed that it is plenty strong. See this thread from another forum:

http://www.mazda_3_forums.com/index.php?topic=126962.30

Take out the underscores to make the link work.

 

[NCZ13]

if your going to go with the medieval piece do not order directly from them. Order from a vendor who has their products IN STOCK. Medieval is a terrible company with terrible customer service. and if you want your part in a timely fashion do not order directly from them.

 

[08cosmic3]

if your going to go with the medieval piece do not order directly from them. Order from a vendor who has their products IN STOCK. Medieval is a terrible company with terrible customer service. and if you want your part in a timely fashion do not order directly from them.

I purchased my Medieval mount from Darkstar Motorsport.

 

[Trader]

Thanks for the replys. I bought the CPE mount with the 60 dynometer. I have read about some failing but that was only with the old 50 dynometer rubber. So hopefully this 60 dynometer rubber will work out ok. I will let you know after a months of heavy shifting.

 

[DS motorsports]

The only one TRZ has developed so far is the transmission mount.

No Medieval has a transmission mount oo

I wont harp on this but this is my opinion take it for what it is. Medieval uses soft poly. Do you know what hapens to soft poly? For one it does not offer great support. For two when it gets cold it is very brittle. Thats how i destroyed two AWR mounts racing in cold temps. Also the 2 piece bolt together design like SU scares me. Something supporting my driveline should not be bolted together. And cpe... Well so far a whole bunch of them have failed. Rubber is not the answer. Thats why not other aftermarket companies use it, for ANY car. TRZ has proven to be the only reliable option that does its job and deosnt break.

The bushings in the Medieval mount offer great support. I'm sorry to hear what happended to your AWR mounts. but i have never heard of any Medieval moutns doing that, even with our customer base in Canada.

For those concerned about the strength of a two piece system, Medieval did some testing, and showed that it is plenty strong. See this thread from another forum:

http://www.mazda_3_forums.com/index.php?topic=126962.30

Take out the underscores to make the link work.

Thank you posting this. It took WAY MORE force to break the mount, than the MS3 engine can ever produce.

if your going to go with the medieval piece do not order directly from them. Order from a vendor who has their products IN STOCK. Medieval is a terrible company with terrible customer service. and if you want your part in a timely fashion do not order directly from them.

Aside from medieval customer service problems from the past. We do have a few of these mounts left. They are soon discontinuing them, and will make a sleeper version for those who are worried about warranty and inspections checks.

 

[taylorex]

I have ran both Medieval and TRZ. My GF hated the vibs from the TRZ. We ran it for about a month and it just didn't get any better. So I pulled it out and sold it to a local guy. After that I ordered a Medieval tranmission mount from Dark Star. Vibs were not as bad, but still noticable. After about a week the Medieval mount calmed down and it is definitely liveable.

 

[fructus]

Quote:
Originally Posted by fructus
The only one TRZ has developed so far is the transmission mount.

No Medieval has a transmission mount oo

If you follow the construction of the sentence you will see that what I said wasn't that the only transmission mount out there was made by TRZ, but that the only side mount TRZ has so far is the transmission mount.

 

[StealthWyvern]

Quote:
Originally Posted by fructus
The only one TRZ has developed so far is the transmission mount.


If you follow the construction of the sentence you will see that what I said wasn't that the only transmission mount out there was made by TRZ, but that the only side mount TRZ has so far is the transmission mount.

so what he misread ya big deal.(drunk)

 

[fructus]

Well, it hurt my feelings.