Flat Foot Shifting

[wisniaPl]

Its always funny when people are saying ooo your bouncing on rev limiter its not good for the engine...thats why we have rev limiter to protect the engine

 

[C.A.T.A.P]

I have done this in a race and it helped so much when i raced a srt8

 

[Mocoso]

I think there are two camps and Im confused as to which one we are talking about:
1. Shifting by fully engaging the clutch but without lifting the throttle
2. Shfting by yankin the stick and just kicking the clutch a little till the stick breaks loose into the next gear all without lifting the throttle

I assure you #2 is NOT what the engineers said wont break...IMHO doing #2 is asking for a new tranny... I believe what most of you are talking about is #1 which I agree all it would do is shorten your clutch life..

 

[DKo5]

I could never FFS this car, despite what everyone is saying - its my baby! I'd hate to hurt her

 

[wutangjn12]

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[djthom]

it is really hard to catch it just right in this car...
at the track i have miss shifted and blown my time...

as for hurting my car...meh not too worried b/c i don't do it all the time

 

[GullyBoy21]

Its good to see that this thread is still alive since i last made it. I've done it about 4 times and i only mest up once. FFS is not hard. You just have to be quick. I only do it 2,3, and fourth gear b/c they are easier to engage.

 

[KZL_99ES]

i've tried, and it's not too bad...

now do all pro's have a rev limiter in them? i don't think that i've hit mine, usually shift at right around 6k

(i know this is in a ms3 thread, but someone has to know)

 

[shucky]

I've FFS pretty much each time I've made a WOT run in my MS3. Zero probs. Not saying it doesn't reduce the life of the clutch, but so far I've never even smelled clutch burn, not once. I dont beat my car to death, but I do some spirited runs pretty often and always FFS my 2-3, 3-4, and 4-5 shift. Pedal feels fine and its been over a year doing this. So perhaps Mazda wasn't lying when they said "you wont break it.." Also, I tried finding my DH log, but dont have it at work, I've seen up to 7300 rpm blip (for a split sec) during a FFS run. So I dont particularly know what the rev limiter is on the MS3, or what it allows for a blip of a second.

 

[Sphincter]

New '08-09 Cobalt SS actually gave it another name in hopes of making more sales, "No-Lift-Shift Feature".

 

[HiggyGT]

New '08-09 Cobalt SS actually gave it another name in hopes of making more sales, "No-Lift-Shift Feature".

Flat foot shifting, No lift shifting, WOT shifting, Power shifting, its all the same. If you do it properly and you dont do it 10 times a day your car will be fine. Ive done it many times in this car and many times in previous cars with no negative effects.

It also helps to keep boost levels up between changing gears, which keeps the power levels up.

 

[Sacrilicious]

the cobalt's no lift shift is assisted by the ECU, so it's a little different. it really is a good feature, because even though the throttle is WOT, the car is kept spooled electronically and the RPM is allowed to sit at 6krpms or something like that. it's sorta like a built-in WOT box, but better.

 

[15min5k]

the cobalt's no lift shift is assisted by the ECU, so it's a little different. it really is a good feature, because even though the throttle is WOT, the car is kept spooled electronically and the RPM is allowed to sit at 6krpms or something like that. it's sorta like a built-in WOT box, but better.

Yeah it takes the skill out of driving. I'll pass

 

[Sacrilicious]

it also reduces wear on the trannie. this is purely a personal preference at this point. in the end, there's no need to be elitist about "driving skill", because a good feature is still a good feature.

 

[Zimmer]

if you wonder if it helps reads FMOS's notes on his drag times here:
http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123702111&page=17

 

[15min5k]

it also reduces wear on the trannie. this is purely a personal preference at this point. in the end, there's no need to be elitist about "driving skill", because a good feature is still a good feature.

That's subjective. It's not a good feature if you think it's for a candy ass who feels the need to relay on electronic devices for lack of skill. If you like electronic nannies that make driving fast easier then more power to you. Some folks on the other hand take pride in knowing they had more to do with the outcome of a race, etc than some f'n computer.

 

[Sacrilicious]

you mean like ABS, drive by wire, and the MS3 ECU in general? the cobalt's FFS feature isn't going to make you any faster if you're already a proficient unassisted FFS'er, but it IS going to save your trannie a bit more, which isn't half bad. electronic nannies are everywhere...the cobalt's FFS is a whole lot less obstructive than the vast majority of the features that came with our car (DSC, TC, etc.).

 

[sleeper3]

This thread is funny

 

[mattj3636]

launch control and the no lift shift on the cobalt does take away the skill of performance driving, as for DTC on our cars... thats why you turn it off when you want to drive aggressively, leave it on just for a safety factor... you ever try to do a good launch with DTC on? howd that go... yeah thats what i thought.

the cobalt is so computer driven it really does take the fun out of it, and the only reason it set the record on nurbring or whatever the hell its called is because of the no lift shift... mainly because it holds boost levels, theres no loss of boost which means no turbo lag which adds up to shave off seconds in an 8 minute track.

that = not needing skill to be the fastest driver out there.

all of the ECU s*** the ms3 has that you listed is mainly safety features, theres no performance ones such as launch control (for people who don't know how to correctly launch a fwd car) and no lift shift (for those who dont know 1. how to power shift, 2. how to shift correctly with minimal boost loss).

 

[sleeper3]

you think that the no lift shift feature adds up to 8 seconds savings for a (semi)professional driver on nurburgring? lol.