hm. i never noticed that, but you are correct. the msp was about 160 hp, the mazda3 with the 2.3 is 156.
the msm was 170 the newest mx5 is 166
so it looks like its always a couple less than the previous generation mazdaspeed version.
What do u think about the new 2009 Mazda 6?
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hm. i never noticed that, but you are correct. the msp was about 160 hp, the mazda3 with the 2.3 is 156.
the msm was 170 the newest mx5 is 166
so it looks like its always a couple less than the previous generation mazdaspeed version.
Yeah i never really noticed that either. hmmm!
Yeah the msp 6 willl probably be a bit faster just cause of awd and manual, not to mention turbo always gives it that extra kick.
And hey there is nothing wrong with Automatic, my protege is automatic. lol
when your lazy like me, its still fun.
i had a supercharged 626 in manual, and yeah it was fun.
but still yeah thats too bad they wont make the V6 in manual.
So does anyone KNOW what the next MAZDAPSEED will be?
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Without doing a full write up, the new 2009 Mazda6 V6 is no Speed6 in terms of handling. The manual shift mode is not worth the effort IMO, response time just isnt fast enough. The ride is difintely well controlled, steering and handling are still more precise than the average midsizer. Still I wouldnt say it is miles ahead of anything in its class. It is huge inside compared to the previous generation. It would be interesting to see this vs the new Accord. It is a very attractive car for sure, inside and out. It is difficult to tell how they accelerate compared to the Speed6, but I would say the Speed6 with an average driver would take it 10 out of 10 times from a stoplight. AWD would do wonders for this car. Give it AWD and a manual option in the V6, I think I would have no trouble making the upgrade.
My Speed6 and my tester.
Without doing a full write up, the new 2009 Mazda6 V6 is no Speed6 in terms of handling. The manual shift mode is not worth the effort IMO, response time just isnt fast enough. The ride is difintely well controlled, steering and handling are still more precise than the average midsizer. Still I wouldnt say it is miles ahead of anything in its class. It is huge inside compared to the previous generation. It would be interesting to see this vs the new Accord. It is a very attractive car for sure, inside and out. It is difficult to tell how they accelerate compared to the Speed6, but I would say the Speed6 with an average driver would take it 10 out of 10 times from a stoplight. AWD would do wonders for this car. Give it AWD and a manual option in the V6, I think I would have no trouble making the upgrade.
My Speed6 and my tester.
Well, in all fairness, you can't exactly compare the new 6 to the old MS6. That would be like comparing a 3 to the MSP. Of course the MSP is faster and handles better. But overall, which car is better? Leaving aside such subjective things like looks and collectibility lol, the 3 is superior. (and I own an MSP!) Just like the new 6 is superior to the old. It's really not even close. If you own a 6 or MS6... put your bias aside and see the new car for what it is. A HUGE step up from the previous generation. Not everything is graded in terms of 0-60 times and slidpad ratings.
I have a 2007 Speed 6 and just today at work saw the 09 6 with the V6...very nice looking but I'm the type of guy which likes low production numbers and speed/handling + AWD over other attributes...
I would be interested in a comparison between the new 09 Maxima to the 09 Mazda 6....
I would be interested in a comparison between the new 09 Maxima to the 09 Mazda 6....
I stopped by a mazda dealer just to see one in person. That thing will not be on my radar any more than an Avalon would be. The current 6 is well-proportioned, cleanly styled, and has a sporty demeanor. The new one is a stretched and bloated bastardization of an initially appealing design. It isn't bias; I bought the current 6 because I like it, not the other way around.
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After driving both they definitely aren't close, but the new one is a step in the right direction. Like you said, from being an MS6 owner, I'm impressed by the level of refinement they have, especially behind the wheel. It's a competitively designed vehicle that WILL steal sales from the Accord/Camry/Maxima crowd. It's packed with features and a comfortable SPORTY TOURING CAR.
Wife and I stopped by the dealership to look at a new 6 in person. There was also a titanium MS6 on the lot and we were both in agreement that we knew which one we'd drive away with. MS6 bar none. The new 6 is a quality well put together piece but the styling is lightly awkward, it got too big, it doesn't have the toned taut look of the car it replaces. Great car and deserves to do well, but not for me. Not over an MS6 anyway. Now vs an accord or camry, I'm so there (not over a maxima though)
Just picked up a silver i GT for the wife today. Gotta say, its as nice as any 3-series BMW I've sat in, minus some of the hard plastics on the doors. For a NA 4banger its got enough pick-up for getting groceries and its definitely big enough for family trips. While most people on these forums are considered more "car people" than most, I think the new 6 really "fixes" the shortcomings of the previous gen - assuming Mazda's goal with the line is to take on the Camry/Accord/Altima trifecta. I drove all 4 before getting the 6 for her - for the price you can't beat it, hands down.
Would I consider one for myself? Never. Well, at least until they throw a turbo, AWD, better suspension, etc. on there. For now I'll stick on with my MS3
Would I consider one for myself? Never. Well, at least until they throw a turbo, AWD, better suspension, etc. on there. For now I'll stick on with my MS3
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Dont get me wrong, it is a nice car for sure. An upgrade in over the standard previous version for sure. It competes very well against other midsizers, maybe best in class in many respects. The interior of the Speed6 was a nice upgrade over the standard models, so the new Mazda6 isnt such a huge leap, but still a nicer overall interior. I am actually considering the new 6, apparently I can get crazy money for my Speed6 in trade taking into account that I bought a 100K mile bumper-bumper warranty. Probably wont happen though.
I happened to drive a brand new Maxima with the sport package back to back with the new Mazda6. I have to say that the new Maxima is something else for a FWD car. Love the paddle shifters. If they didnt want so much for them, I would probably take one over a new 6. But, I think the new 6 is a better value.
No one gets crazy money for a trade in, no matter what the car is. Dealers have their limits as to what they will offer. You are better off trying to sell it to a private party than to trade it in. But still, give up AWD+turbo+6-spd tranny for an autotragic V6? No thanks.
Compared to the segment the 6 was originally meant to tackle it IS zoom-zoom. Everything else in the class is boring, uninspired, sloppy, floaty, etc. The new 6 is none of those, comparatively.
You absolutely can't compare a normal 6 to a Mazdaspeed variant. How would an '08 Mazda6 V6 compare to a MS6? You'd obviously still "hold onto your MS6 for a while".
We'll see what you guys are saying when they do make a new MS6
Compared to the segment the 6 was originally meant to tackle it IS zoom-zoom. Everything else in the class is boring, uninspired, sloppy, floaty, etc. The new 6 is none of those, comparatively.
You absolutely can't compare a normal 6 to a Mazdaspeed variant. How would an '08 Mazda6 V6 compare to a MS6? You'd obviously still "hold onto your MS6 for a while".
We'll see what you guys are saying when they do make a new MS6
not the new maxima
I wouldn't put the Maxima in the same category. Starting just shy of $30k for a base model when a 6 S GT is $28k? Feature for feature, dollar for dollar the new 6 steps all over it as a normal everyday family car.
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Yeah I don't know what Nissan is thinking with pricing the new Maxima. You're in BMW and Audi territory at that price. I'm guessing it would even cannabilize Infiniti, although I think I'd choose an Infiniti over the Maxima. And I think Nissan Quality has gone down since Renault took them over. We used to own a 98 Pathfinder that was a rock but then the newer Pathfinders were a few steps down in overall quality. I remeber driving one and thinking it felt like a Chevy.
Yeah I don't know what Nissan is thinking with pricing the new Maxima. You're in BMW and Audi territory at that price. I'm guessing it would even cannabilize Infiniti, although I think I'd choose an Infiniti over the Maxima. And I think Nissan Quality has gone down since Renault took them over. We used to own a 98 Pathfinder that was a rock but then the newer Pathfinders were a few steps down in overall quality. I remeber driving one and thinking it felt like a Chevy.
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I really don't like this new 2009 Mazda 6 at all, we have them here in Spain already and is really ugly, is too big. I like better the Actual Mazda 6
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