Feedback after 2 full tanks of 89 in my MS3

camrycev6

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MS3 - sport
Good morning everyone,

I decided to to a little experiment with my car and see how it really performed and what would happen when I ran 89 gas in it. To be perfectly fair, I didn't take it to a dyno, so I can't give exact numbers on the HP / Trq changes, but I will state my "butt dyno" experience... I do have some interesting numbers on the gas mileage though.

First, let me state unequivocally that the car ran completely fine. No strange behavior from the engine, no rough idling, no hesitation, no overheating, etc., etc.

Second, from the "butt dyno" experience, I would say I felt a very small decrease in power when in 4th and higher. However, I could have been just imagining it. Without an actual dyno, I have no choice but to throw this out as I cannot validate any actual power loss. Again, and it is important to note, the perception of loss was very minimal.

Finally, and the most interesting, I have some data on the gas mileage. It is important to point out that I drove the same on the last four tanks of gas. That means no special or unusual trips, and I drove the car as hard or as light as I normally would. I treated the car no differently in other words.

Let me give you some numbers (based on actual miles driven / gallons. I do not use the trip computer as it has proved inaccurate) from the two tanks of 93 octane I ran before:

23.9 MPG
23.5 MPG

Now for the 89 octane:

23.1 MPG
23.3 MPG

If I average the 93 octane, I got 23.7 MPG. For the 89, I got 23.2. That is a difference of 0.5 MPG.

So let's look at this another way. If I put an average of 13 gallons per fill up, (That is when I typically fill the tank.) that translates to only 6.5 miles difference per tank!

In terms of costs (taken today as I drove past my neighborhood gas station):

13 gallons of 93 costs about $54.47 (at $4.19 / gallon)
For 89, 13 gallons costs $52.65 (at $4.05 / gallon)

So we are only talking about $1.82 price difference per tank. Or, to put it another way, I can put $1.82 more in a tank to go another 6.5 miles.

Draw your own conclusions, but to me, there isn't enough price difference to between 89 and 93 to really worry about which one I use. I suppose I will go back to 93, but I might just run one more tank of 89 through just to be sure. Then I will go back to 93 and get more data....

Thoughts?
 
yes this all saves you money, but if things gets hot and you start pushing the car, it has a MUCH better chance on knocking. Adding some knock into the mix you more then 1 step closer to zoom zoom boom, and that is way more expensive then a savings on 1.82 per tank. Thats just my 2 cents
 
yes this all saves you money, but if things gets hot and you start pushing the car, it has a MUCH better chance on knocking. Adding some knock into the mix you more then 1 step closer to zoom zoom boom, and that is way more expensive then a savings on 1.82 per tank. Thats just my 2 cents

We have had multiple instances of several days in a row where it has been close to 100 degrees. I can assure you I push my car hard, stop, start again, etc. Short of taking it to a track, I don't see how much more pushing I could have done. Unless there is some ambient temperature threshold (Phoenix at 115 maybe?), I see no reason why the car would knock (especially the way the computer controls the A/F mix) under any normal driving conditions.
 
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you guys should be happy about what you're paying now...

we in canada are paying $6-ish/gallon(94) :'(
 
you guys should be happy about what you're paying now...

we in canada are paying $6-ish/gallon(94) :'(

I never complained... I have no problem with the gas prices. I have been going to Europe / Canada for over 10 years. We still don't pay what they have been paying 10 years ago. (At least in Germany.)
 
I never complained... I have no problem with the gas prices. I have been going to Europe / Canada for over 10 years. We still don't pay what they have been paying 10 years ago. (At least in Germany.)

A friend of mine is air force and just moved to Germany for a 4-5 year stay as a flight mechanic. He said they drove to some of the sights including to the beaches of Normandy and back. Easily over a thousand dollars in gas between $12-14/gallon!!!
 
I have been to Germany seven times, so I know all about it!

...but back on topic... I decided I am going to run one more tank of 89. I figure three tanks (especially in a row) will give me all the data I need.
 
Don't know about you camry, but my car says exactly that 23.9mpg. So I would have to say that my trip comp is pretty accurate. None the less, sweet research.
 
As long as the pcm is working the car will run fine. Just not as fine as it will with the higher octane. To me its not a matter of price, its more of a performance issue. But individual driving styles vary widely so less performance to some might be marginal to others.
 
why buy a performance car and put s*** gas in it for 10 cents a gallon difference. Over the long run you will do damage to your car even if the ecu does pull timing. Your spark plugs will probably burn out much quicker at the very least.
 
For some reason i think the people at mazda who engineered the disi and called for it to run premium knew what they were doing. My ms6 will never see anything less that 93 i don;t care how expensive it gets, i'll bite the 20cents now rather than thousands for a motor later.
 
yeah thanks for posting. the price different isnt enough to really matter though, IMO. if the price difference between 89 and 93 is killing you (not talking to the OP, just in general), then you should probably sell the car and get a civic or someting
 
The price is not the issue guys. This was a simply a matter of seeing the effects. So far, I have seen none.

Dread / Boostr - I don't consider 89 to be s*** gas. That would be 85.
As far as engine damage, I have never seen anything / read anything (and yes I have looked) to validate this statement. If you have any proof this will happen, I would love to see it.
 
The price is not the issue guys. This was a simply a matter of seeing the effects. So far, I have seen none.

Dread / Boostr - I don't consider 89 to be s*** gas. That would be 85.
As far as engine damage, I have never seen anything / read anything (and yes I have looked) to validate this statement. If you have any proof this will happen, I would love to see it.

What do you need to see? someone blowing up their motor? its simple, the lower the octane level the more potential for detonation from heat and pressure. But if you want to try and see how long you can push your motor b4 it burns a hole in the cylinder. go right ahead. But like i said the engineers at mazda know what they are doing and if you care to second guess what they have proven to work have fun. ZOOM ZOOM BOOM!
 
The book says 93 -- she gets 93. The difference in fuel cost/mile is negligible. BTW, I get 25-26 in daily usage and 28-30 on the highway.
 
yeah thanks for posting. the price different isnt enough to really matter though, IMO. if the price difference between 89 and 93 is killing you (not talking to the OP, just in general), then you should probably sell the car and get a civic or someting

The only way that works if you buy an OLD economy car and break even or come out ahead on the trade.
 
The price is not the issue guys. This was a simply a matter of seeing the effects. So far, I have seen none.

Dread / Boostr - I don't consider 89 to be s*** gas. That would be 85.
As far as engine damage, I have never seen anything / read anything (and yes I have looked) to validate this statement. If you have any proof this will happen, I would love to see it.

I thought you had some method of datalogging this information.?
 
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