ok, the "new-ness" of my MS3 expired quickly.

[happy and angry]

Obama is a bigger NOOOOOOO! than McCain. If he gets elected, I will be taxed to the point of poverty. That is one of the plans he has stated. A redistribution of wealth. Why have 25% in poverty when you can put 100% into near-poverty?

I don't think the top 5% deserve 95% of the income. Also, their relative tax plans will not break your bank.

Hey look, people making under 230k getting a pretty big tax cut.

Not sure why we're on politics here, but... "Obama is going to tax me into poverty!" is an incredibly misinformed thing to say. Obama's financial goals are to make the middle class grow, and his policies and tax reform ideas reflect that. His tax plan benefits 95% of Americans. McCain's... not so much.

 

[camrycev6]

At $50k per year, Obama is not going to be a problem. He is really only looking to raise taxes for those making $250k+.

If you care at all about the financial world, McCain is a big mistake. While he is by far the most acceptable Republican (for me), his policies still leave much to be desired.

Now, back on topic!!!!

Not true at all... Obama is supporting tax cuts for the poor and middle class. (This is directly from his web site.) The middle of the middle class is generally defined (for all of America) as $40K a year...

So what do you think that is going to mean to guys who make 90K or 100K a year? They are going to get crushed. If a guy makes 900K a year, it hurts yeah --- but they can survive. You start taxing 100K heavily, and you are in serious trouble. The problem is, anything above $78K is in the top 25% of the current US income levels. That is who he is going after. Just to point out making over $250K is the top 1.5%. He is not limiting his plan to those people...

So... if you make 80K or more... watch out.... Obama is after your hard earned money.

Now that the record has been set straight... Back on topic....

 

[camrycev6]

I don't think the top 5% deserve 95% of the income. Also, their relative tax plans will not break your bank.

Hey look, people making under 230k getting a pretty big tax cut.

Not sure why we're on politics here, but... "Obama is going to tax me into poverty!" is an incredibly misinformed thing to say. Obama's financial goals are to make the middle class grow, and his policies and tax reform ideas reflect that. His tax plan benefits 95% of Americans. McCain's... not so much.

Read my post above. If you want to tax people who make 350K+ (The top 1%) a little more, I can understand. Also, give the lower and middle classes a break! I am all for that too. Just don't take away my hard earned money in a disproportionate percentage just because I have worked hard and been successful in my life.

 

[djthom]

If taxes are your main issue... not Obama.

are you kidding?
he is smack dab in the middle class...

you know the class the republicans love to screw...

the new lower class...

yeah the same one


democrats tax the rich and give to the poor...modern day robin hood...you like robin hood dont you?!?!?!?!

 

[dkswim]

obama is way to far left for me. in his brief part term of senator his voting has shown him to be the most libaral. McCain in is alot closser to were i am on the politicle map, i think he needs some help with finance. and as far as gas prices i dont blame bush. its everybodys falt. we as americans go around buying our big hummers and suburbans to drive us and mabe one other person the 60 miles to work all highway hell the only dirt the suv sees is the ocasional dirt road mabe. we had a president a couple terms back that voted against drilling. im sure for good reasons. let everyone else run out of oil then in the end we can sell it to everyone else at 100 a gallon. it dosnt help we are in a war elsewere in the world thats costing us billions a day and the kicker is we have outsorced all the companys making stuff for the military out of the country so our goverment is not investing in itself. we have expanding economys in china and india among others that are starting to need oil to keep expanding. hell free trade isnt helping it helped out in the imidiat but in the long term not soo much. the only comoditys we ship out are raw matirials and then those countrys send back manufactured stuff. we all have a part in why gas prices are so high we cant blame one man. and hell as has ben siad he has been voted in for 2 terms.

hell even farther off topic maby we shouldnt try and reelect a president, congres has tried to inpiech the last two in the end of there second term.

 

[dkswim]

camrycev6 you forgot about katrena, 9-11 coverup, and the space shuttle crash those are all bush's fualt. oww yheah bush was activly injecting aids and drugs into the minority populations to kill them off and or put in jail where we can spend billions paying for them only to be released and commit the same crime.

owww hyeah my car no longer has new car smell. mabe i need to make a bottle of new car spray. im still loving my car, it gets way better gas mileege then some of my other cars used to. and its way more fun, mabe not more i did usaed to own a 4x4 while living in the mountins. ive heard that new car smell is the glue and plastic finishing up there hardning proces curring and some of the emisions it gives off are not to good for helth reasons.

 

[justa4banger]

I love my speed3 and at the momment its has cost me 0 $ for gas. Just a carpayment and ins. then again, i'm about 3700 miles away from my MS3. it just collect dust.

oh well. i though of having it shipped here to COlombia, up near Cucata. i jump over to Venezula and get gas for .20 ( yes 20 cents) a gallon

 

[dkswim]

somehow i think were paying for there gas and there getting it for cost

 

[serialtoon]

I think its lame how much we pay for gas, but i think its even stupider that we don't do anything about it. I personally am getting sick and tired of the price we see at the gas pumps. I'm so close to just biting the bullet and getting rid of this car. There are other things in life id rather dump my money on. For the record, i can afford it, but i choose not to. When is enough...enough?

 

[MS3077]

Humor has it that gas prices are going to reach a whopping $8 dollars a gal by the end of the yr. Yeah I'll be riding my bike to work and selling my speed3 to a mentally challenged person.

 

[hilmar2k]

Humor has it that gas prices are going to reach a whopping $8 dollars a gal by the end of the yr. Yeah I'll be riding my bike to work and selling my speed3 to a mentally challenged person.

That is humorous. (lol2)

 

[caspeed]

Re: SerialtoonHumorous post

I think its lame how much we pay for gas, but i think its even stupider that we don't do anything about it...I'm so close to just biting the bullet and getting rid of this car. There are other things in life id rather dump my money on. For the record, i can afford it, but i choose not to. When is enough...enough?

For the record in case you weren't being funny, you and I are the lucky ones because we can afford rising prices. Prices rising and falling is a way better experience than shortages and/or rationing. Do you know of a third alternative? I don't.

As to the South American guy purchasing at $.20 cents a gallon. Cheap fuel often happens in producing countries where the cost of living is low and few people have cars.

Cheap fuel doesn't happen in the US because we consume more fuel than we produce. Rising prices are easy to meet on our own terms while rationing and shortages are not.

Again I bought the ms3 expecting $10.00 per gallon before I sell it. I don't know of a more fun way to burn $10.00.

Mike

 

[camrycev6]

True... I can't seem to get better than 24 MPG... I think it is because I am get too much of a rush going through 2nd, 3rd, and 4th gears....

 

[dan1101]

I put 89 octane in mine, I just couldn't pay 20 cents more for 93 when 89 octane was already over $4.00 a gallon. No pinging, power is fine, I'll see how many miles I get this tank.

But anyway, drive it easy, press the accelerator gently, anticipate stops and coast whenever possible. I get 27 MPG on mine, and I still break loose and have fun with it sometimes. This car lets you be fast or efficient, your choice.

 

[MS3077]

dan1101 - Do yourself a favor and use 91-93 oct for Christ sakes! Don't **** up your car in the name of a few bucks here and there.

 

[dan1101]

I knew this would be a debate, I really don't want to get into the whole octane argument. I don't particularly trust that the octane ratings of gas are particularly accurate anyway.

I don't mind experimenting, I'm confident it's not hurting the car, the computer compensates for lack of octane and does not allow the engine to ping. If anything I might be getting less power as a result. I expect I'll find I get less miles per tank with the 89, if so I'll go back to 93. Nothing ventured, nothing saved.

 

[ericm]

Generally speaking with street gas, lower octane fuel has more BTU/gallon. So you may see slightly higher mileage. You will of course have less power as the ECU will retard timing and reduce boost to prevent detonation. Knowing that you shouldn't be running it WFO may encourage you to drive with a lighter foot and increase mileage as a result.

When you switch back to high octane it will take the ECU a while to compensate.

 

[dan1101]

So far so good. I'm just getting below 1/4 tank and I've been over 300 miles. Still has plenty of pep too, passed two pickup trucks at the same time this morning, like a freakin' rocket!

 

[MS3077]

^ Until it goes BOOM!!!

 

[camrycev6]

Generally speaking with street gas, lower octane fuel has more BTU/gallon. So you may see slightly higher mileage. You will of course have less power as the ECU will retard timing and reduce boost to prevent detonation. Knowing that you shouldn't be running it WFO may encourage you to drive with a lighter foot and increase mileage as a result.

When you switch back to high octane it will take the ECU a while to compensate.

Actually, this isn't exactly true. Higher octane fuels generally have more chemical energy than the equivalent volume of lower octane fuels and thus, more BTUs / gallon. Iso-octane (C8H18) is mixed with Heptane (C7H16) to determine the overall octane rating for standard fuels. The % of Iso-octane determines the rating. So... a 93 octane fuel is 93% Iso-octane and 7% Heptane and would contain more chemical energy than a 87% solution. However, the octane rating doesn't tell all. You can add smaller hydrocarbons to the gas mixture that raise the octane level while lowering the overall energy level. Ethanol (C2H6), for example has relatively little energy in it, but it has a much higher octane rating (116 to be exact) than straight iso-octane (100). This is why a ethanol blend can raise the octane rating while lowering the overall energy. If you are talking about standard pump gas (no ethanol, no racing fuels), then the rule is the higher the octane rating the more energy (and better BTU / gallon) it contains.

Just had to clear up the bad science. Nothing personal, I just hate to see stuff like that spread around.