Hydro Assist Fuel Cell
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Sure electrolysis works. But where does the energy come from? From your battery that is charged by your engine that is powered from your gasolene (or the generated hydrogen/oxygen). You can't win. You can't even break even. This is total BS.
There is always loss. So you will absolutely put more power in then you get out. There is no free lunch. Rotus8 is absolutely correct, total BS.
MS3Buckeye
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Its called the first law of thermodynamics. Its impossible to get as much energy from the hydrogen by burning it than you put into the water through electrolysis. If this actually worked, we could create as much energy as we wanted! The earth is 70% water and we wouldn't care about oil at all, and there would be no energy crisis. Use your heads guys.
SuperStretch18
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Nah, throw a turbonator on there and you watch! The Laws of Physics be damned! 
i prefer just to put my $4/gallon 93 octane good ol fashion rag head oil produced fossil fuel into my mazda.
Propane, hydrogen, etc. are all good new alternative means to powering our vehicals, but bigger jumps in technology are needed before they can become viable. I believe instead of putting the exspensive technology of splitting hydrogen atoms across a membrne to separate a single electron etc. they do make the hydrogen eletric cars.... they should put that technology into the power plants and use the "green energy" produced from the power plants to power our eletric cars.... thats only if i get a tesla roadsters w/ a working 2 speed transmission.
Propane, hydrogen, etc. are all good new alternative means to powering our vehicals, but bigger jumps in technology are needed before they can become viable. I believe instead of putting the exspensive technology of splitting hydrogen atoms across a membrne to separate a single electron etc. they do make the hydrogen eletric cars.... they should put that technology into the power plants and use the "green energy" produced from the power plants to power our eletric cars.... thats only if i get a tesla roadsters w/ a working 2 speed transmission.
Gasological
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Agreed with above posters, thermodynamics says this s*** isn't going to do a damned thing. Every point of conversion has inherent losses of efficiency. Power source is your battery, which is charged by the alternator. Alternator is powered by the engine.
And magnets in the gas line? No. Just... no.
And magnets in the gas line? No. Just... no.
Please read.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrolysis
Specifically note where it discusses efficiency. As I said before, no free lunch. You will put in more energy then you get out.
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MS3Buckeye
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The only way electrolysis would improve gas milage would be for the energy to come from some other source than the gas itself.
Electricity --> Battery --> Alternator --> Engine --> GAS
All as Gasological said, and with losses at every step.
Now with that being said if there was a source of energy from outside the system that would fuel electrolysis, you could improve mpg. Now if the contraption was able to somehow harness some of the excess energy from the engine (most of which is given off as heat and goes into the cooling system) you could improve mpg. But I doubt this is possible. Automakers all over the globe are trying like hell to improve mpg and spending millions trying to do it. If there was some simple way to do it... I am sure they would have done it already.
If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is.
Electricity --> Battery --> Alternator --> Engine --> GAS
All as Gasological said, and with losses at every step.
Now with that being said if there was a source of energy from outside the system that would fuel electrolysis, you could improve mpg. Now if the contraption was able to somehow harness some of the excess energy from the engine (most of which is given off as heat and goes into the cooling system) you could improve mpg. But I doubt this is possible. Automakers all over the globe are trying like hell to improve mpg and spending millions trying to do it. If there was some simple way to do it... I am sure they would have done it already.
If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is.
You all can believe what you want but when you put it into perspective how are you justifying this power output must be more than power input??? If that's true then gasoline is the worst of them all... As you get nothing in return for burning it past the power it makes to power your vehicle...
I have personally seen this work... We're not talking about Hydrogen fuel cells here... They are doing the process backwards from what I was talking about... They are using hydrogen to create electricity to power an electric car... Whereas the hydrogen produced from water helps power a gasoline motor... making it more efficient. All you have to do is put gas in it and put water in the cell. Burning Hydrogen along w/ Gasoline is much more power and thus needs less fuel to accomplish it's task... I have seen this on a chevrolet full-size truck w/ the vortec V-8 that is now getting 28~32 mpg.... pretty amazing for a SBC.
The way everyone is doing it is running the Hydrogen into the air intake before the Intake manifold letting the gas mix with the air. Of course you need the gasoline to power the alternator to power the cell but lets face it, you have an infinite amount of 12V power from the alternator as long as the motor is running.
What I have seen is people are wiring up a switch to the power going to the fuel cell and turn it on when you are driving.... Turn it off when you are not... It's pretty simple and seems to work wonders.... Not in actually doing away with gasoline or as a new stand-alone power for vehicles but a nice way to increase fuel mileage in our bad gas burners.
I have personally seen this work... We're not talking about Hydrogen fuel cells here... They are doing the process backwards from what I was talking about... They are using hydrogen to create electricity to power an electric car... Whereas the hydrogen produced from water helps power a gasoline motor... making it more efficient. All you have to do is put gas in it and put water in the cell. Burning Hydrogen along w/ Gasoline is much more power and thus needs less fuel to accomplish it's task... I have seen this on a chevrolet full-size truck w/ the vortec V-8 that is now getting 28~32 mpg.... pretty amazing for a SBC.
The way everyone is doing it is running the Hydrogen into the air intake before the Intake manifold letting the gas mix with the air. Of course you need the gasoline to power the alternator to power the cell but lets face it, you have an infinite amount of 12V power from the alternator as long as the motor is running.
What I have seen is people are wiring up a switch to the power going to the fuel cell and turn it on when you are driving.... Turn it off when you are not... It's pretty simple and seems to work wonders.... Not in actually doing away with gasoline or as a new stand-alone power for vehicles but a nice way to increase fuel mileage in our bad gas burners.
