Why cant our community be like this?!?!

[jbiird317]

Where is a Moderator when you need them? I don't believe this guy should be allowed on here insulting people.

im already taking actions, thanks tho

 

[MS3077]

I just think it's really ****** up that a dealership will void a warranty just because there are "MODS" on a car without justification.

It's like if your motor blows up and they find out you have a short shifter they'll void your warranty just because.

And for the people who say "oh well you modded it" aren't really helping the issue at hand.

We're all aware of the warranty agreement but there is a fine line between common sense and total disregard for what is the right thing to do.

 

[MS3077]

im already taking actions, thanks tho

Thank you.

 

[jaydubz]

You are totally out of control with your comments. If I happen to agree with someone I simply put a +1, has nothing to do with being on someone’s nuts, etc. I’m actually offended by your stupidity.

I said nothing to you for you to insult me. I'm I the only person who thinks this ass-jack is out of line???

Where is a Moderator when you need them? I don't believe this guy should be allowed on here insulting people.

He was indeed out of line! but I assure you when he has an issue with his vehicle he will be right back on this thread asking for help. Some people just want to go against the grain and try to make an invalid point.

However MS3077 I truly appreciate your support, unfortunately it drew fire from an unsavory person.

I win in the end. I'm not gonna say why since mazda USA lurks all over this ******* board and I swear the owners know it and probably have a deal with Mazda USA selling us all down river one by one. But trust me I'll be fine.

Darksun, I am truly glad and when possible maybe you can update ms3077 and myself.

and posting on autoblog is gonna solve these problems? We are a VERRRRY small portion of mazda's total business, im sure they are not losing any sleep over it... I would love to help out darksun and think he got ripped off, but im not willing to put other enthusiasts at a greater risk to benefit one person, no offense[/QUOTE

We are an ant in in a giants shoe, however with enough persistence we will be noticed. As you can see a number of people have become involved in this thread simply due to constant movement. I feel that contacting autoblog would not have caused any negative repercussions, rather it would have brought to the forefront an already known problem in which a dealership was conducting unfair business practices. Bottom Line, Motor mounts should not break like that, and unless the car was in a front end accident (which it was not) Mazda should be covering it or absorbing most of the cost. If Mazda is reading this, dont skimp on the material quality in the mount next time!

 

[jaydubz]

If the speed3 could not be driven hard, then why would Mazda produce such a video promoting its handling and powerful characteristics? If they have an image they need to uphold it with quality! People buy because of image! Remember that! Either way great video! Too bad we didnt see any of the engines drop out of the cars, then we could have been forewarned by Mazda!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=PL1m3XG5UxI&feature=related

 

[Darksun280]

If the speed3 could not be driven hard, then why would Mazda produce such a video promoting its handling and powerful characteristics? If they have an image they need to uphold it with quality! People buy because of image! Remember that! Either way great video! Too bad we didnt see any of the engines drop out of the cars, then we could have been forewarned by Mazda!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=PL1m3XG5UxI&feature=related

If I go to court with them Im showing this video! LOL

 

[Betelgeuse]

Here's my 2 cents:

Anyone who has read my comments about modding know I'm not quick to point the finger at Mazda. I accept the fact that any kind of modification carry a certain amount of risk. For example, I installed my twm ss today and on their instruction booklet, on the back page it warns that the warranty can be voided. It's a chance I chose to take.

The fact is, the warranty can be voided for very benign mods. This is industry wide, not just Mazda. The 'act' will only do so much. In the end it comes down to who has the deeper pockets and the better lawyers.


However..... based on what I've seen so far, I will rest this mount problem totally on Mazda's lap. This is not a common issue with any other manufacturer and only modest power improvements have caused it fail completely. Some have failed on stock cars. That's unacceptable IMO. It is a very critical part and should be strong enough to handle the stock power levels and then some. I can't give them even an inch on this.

With that said, anyone who knows about the mount and decides to do the heavier mods DESERVE the possible consequences. I feel little simpathy for people who play russian roulette. I'm not referring to Darksun here, I think he got the short end of the stick.

With regards to this thread, I don't think going after individual dealerships and/or Mazda will solve anything in the short term. We need a quick solution. I believe putting this effort towards encouraging an aftermarket (or several aftermarket) companies to develop a stronger tranny mount (or complete set)is a better idea. I know there are some solutions on the horizon and there's already an engine brace but imo, that's not enough.

 

[jaydubz]

Here's my 2 cents:

Anyone who has read my comments about modding know I'm not quick to point the finger at Mazda. I accept the fact that any kind of modification carry a certain amount of risk. For example, I installed my twm ss today and on their instruction booklet, on the back page it warns that the warranty can be voided. It's a chance I chose to take.

The fact is, the warranty can be voided for very benign mods. This is industry wide, not just Mazda. The 'act' will only do so much. In the end it comes down to who has the deeper pockets and the better lawyers.


However..... based on what I've seen so far, I will rest this mount problem totally on Mazda's lap. This is not a common issue with any other manufacturer and only modest power improvements have caused it fail completely. Some have failed on stock cars. That's unacceptable IMO. It is a very critical part and should be strong enough to handle the stock power levels and then some. I can't give them even an inch on this.

With that said, anyone who knows about the mount and decides to do the heavier mods DESERVE the possible consequences. I feel little simpathy for people who play russian roulette. I'm not referring to Darksun here, I think he got the short end of the stick.

With regards to this thread, I don't think going after individual dealerships and/or Mazda will solve anything in the short term. We need a quick solution. I believe putting this effort towards encouraging an aftermarket (or several aftermarket) companies to develop a stronger tranny mount (or complete set)is a better idea. I know there are some solutions on the horizon and there's already an engine brace but imo, that's not enough.

Betelgeuse, I whole heartedly agree with you and thank you for the positive support. I think the thing a lot of people are confusing is that I am not trying to get Mazda or the Dealerships to say "ok well cover everything"! Matter of fact if you go out and put nitrous on your car thats your problem, if you go out and use a meth kit and you fry a cylinder due to lean out, thats your problem. If you run some sort of intake and your car sucks in something it should not have and your turbo pops then that is your problem.

However, if you put an intake or a boost gauge and the engine mount fails (even of you were driving spiritedly) then that is the manufacturers problem. Darksun did not wreck the car or meet in any sort of front end accident, he had an intake and probably was driving a sports car the way it was supposed to be driven. A few runs down on the track is not enough to crack and shear off an entire engine mount, seems to me if Mazda knew this engine rocked itself like a crackhead going through withdrawal then they should have beefed up the mount and not skimped on the materials. This is not a job for the consumer to deal with!

 

[Mocoso]

(mswerd)

You are the exactly the reason why this community is the way it is! Darksun only had an intake, is that enough torque to snap an engine mount? You are ridiculous!

N........ If that is your attitude then point your opinion elsewhere where it can be helpful.

Ill point my opinion elsewhere as soon as you stop starting threads with "our community is self centered" - whats ridiculous is you starting a thread by insulting all of us and then bitchin because we arent standing by you and your crusade... if you wanted our support you should have just started the thread indicating you felt Darksun got the shaft and his void was too extreme and asking the community to help and not by posting a BMW news story and claiming that community pulls together....you would have gotten a much different response

Frankly I dont care if you called us self centered but claiming BMW community is BETTER than ours is just damn insulting...and for the record I DO feel for Darksun and I AGREE its an extreme case but I havent read an effective way to help him that will change his situation and his best bet is to drill into Mazda and push the issue and take it to arbitration if needed....

 

[Darksun280]

his best bet is to drill into Mazda and push the issue and take it to arbitration if needed....

I wish I could be like Paul Walker and say "Pockets ain't empty cuz" but honestly after new developments it looks like getting all this fixed is going to cost me 2300 instead of the 1400 the dealer thought it would be.

 

[jaydubz]

Ill point my opinion elsewhere as soon as you stop starting threads with "our community is self centered" - whats ridiculous is you starting a thread by insulting all of us and then bitchin because we arent standing by you and your crusade... if you wanted our support you should have just started the thread indicating you felt Darksun got the shaft and his void was too extreme and asking the community to help and not by posting a BMW news story and claiming that community pulls together....you would have gotten a much different response

Frankly I dont care if you called us self centered but claiming BMW community is BETTER than ours is just damn insulting...and for the record I DO feel for Darksun and I AGREE its an extreme case but I havent read an effective way to help him that will change his situation and his best bet is to drill into Mazda and push the issue and take it to arbitration if needed....

Sprout wings and fly my friend, because if you truly had to sit here and try and justify if Darksun was getting the shaft then you're nick name should be Plank because of your thickness. C'mon, the guy had a mount that broke cleanly in half and the only Mod he had was an intake.

The comparison between the BMW community and ours is not the money, but rather the fact that they banned together and help one of their own who was treated unfairly. You my friend came on here and pointed fingers and offered no help in Darksun's direction. As in the case of the BMW situation, none of their members came on and said "oh well" Kinda like what you did along with others.

 

[Mocoso]

I wish I could be like Paul Walker and say "Pockets ain't empty cuz" but honestly after new developments it looks like getting all this fixed is going to cost me 2300 instead of the 1400 the dealer thought it would be.

So what in summary is Mazda's official take (not the idiotic dealers take)?
They even willing to split cost with you? Has Mazda officially told you that you are SOL or has it just been the dealer? (Sorry the self-centered plank in me cant keep up with the multiple threads on this topic)

Sprout wings and fly my friend, because if you truly had to sit here and try and justify if Darksun was getting the shaft then you're nick name should be Plank because of your thickness. C'mon, the guy had a mount that broke cleanly in half and the only Mod he had was an intake.

The comparison between the BMW community and ours is not the money, but rather the fact that they banned together and help one of their own who was treated unfairly. You my friend came on here and pointed fingers and offered no help in Darksun's direction. As in the case of the BMW situation, none of their members came on and said "oh well" Kinda like what you did along with others.

I clearly said I AGREE that its an extreme case but yet you twist it to add more insults.. which by the way keep getting funnier: now Im a self-centered plank! cant wait for the next addition...

Curious: how do you know the BMW community so well? have you owned one and participated in their community? cus if you have and you STILL think they are a bunch of friendly stick together groupies then your nickname should be "PLANK FOREST"

Im done trying to point out to you that you would have gotten a better response if you would have STARTED this thread with a call to help Darksun instead of calling us a bunch of self-centered planks but obviously you arent getting the point so Ill drop it and be done with it... why dont we focus on what you really wanted which is to help Darksun

 

[Darksun280]

So what in summary is Mazda's official take (not the idiotic dealers take)?
They even willing to split cost with you? Has Mazda officially told you that you are SOL or has it just been the dealer? (Sorry the self-centered plank in me cant keep up with the multiple threads on this topic)



I clearly said I AGREE that its an extreme case but yet you twist it to add more insults.. which by the way keep getting funnier: now Im a self-centered plank! cant wait for the next addition...

Curious: how do you know the BMW community so well? have you owned one and participated in their community? cus if you have and you STILL think they are a bunch of friendly stick together groupies then your nickname should be "PLANK FOREST"

Im done trying to point out to you that you would have gotten a better response if you would have STARTED this thread with a call to help Darksun instead of calling us a bunch of self-centered planks but obviously you arent getting the point so Ill drop it and be done with it... why dont we focus on what you really wanted which is to help Darksun

It went like this. Dealer called me and said there not covering it and mazda usa voided me. I called mazda usa and this girl Katie said they have no idea whats going on and called the dealer. two hours later Katie from mazda calls me back and said the dealer explained everything and the dealer wont change there mind and have voided me in the system. Katie says for more information call the dealer. I call the dealer and they first try and convince me my tires with 7400 miles on them are bald then say call mazda USA for more info.

 

[MS3077]

It doesn't take much to bald the stock potenza's, and few decent burn-outs is all it takes. I think it's stupid to judge how a car has been treated by the tires because it doesn't mean you've abused it. Is doing a few burn-outs abusing this car? I mean all it's doing is spinning the tires and burning the rubber. What's the big deal with the bald tires thing???

 

[jaydubz]

So what in summary is Mazda's official take (not the idiotic dealers take)?
They even willing to split cost with you? Has Mazda officially told you that you are SOL or has it just been the dealer? (Sorry the self-centered plank in me cant keep up with the multiple threads on this topic)



I clearly said I AGREE that its an extreme case but yet you twist it to add more insults.. which by the way keep getting funnier: now Im a self-centered plank! cant wait for the next addition...

Curious: how do you know the BMW community so well? have you owned one and participated in their community? cus if you have and you STILL think they are a bunch of friendly stick together groupies then your nickname should be "PLANK FOREST"

Im done trying to point out to you that you would have gotten a better response if you would have STARTED this thread with a call to help Darksun instead of calling us a bunch of self-centered planks but obviously you arent getting the point so Ill drop it and be done with it... why dont we focus on what you really wanted which is to help Darksun

LOL, Plank Forest, haha thats good, only took you a couple of days to come up with it. However If your done trying to get your misguided point accross then please infect another thread.

Well since you have changed your tone from your original post I do agree with you, this is not about anyone else but Darksun! The dealership is trying to site misuse of the car by claiming that the car was tracked or raced. Regardless if the car did a few runs down the track, a motor mount should not break like that!

 

[chacon101]

Well, bald tires means you have at some point either done a few burnouts and/or are nailing it through the first few gears. In this car it's sorta a non issue since it has so much power but it is just one indicator.

If you don't think that dropping the clutch and doing a burnout is abusing the car then what it? I know you can spin first through third pretty easy in this car but an actual burnout is a bit different.

During an actual burnout, the motor would be bouncing around quite a bit in the engine bay and there is also wheel hop.

I sorry to hear about your problems with your car Darksun. It's hard fighting a big company like that since you feel it's hopeless to actually get through to somebody who can make a good and logical decision. I wish you luck man.

 

[Darksun280]

Well, bald tires means you have at some point either done a few burnouts and/or are nailing it through the first few gears. In this car it's sorta a non issue since it has so much power but it is just one indicator.

If you don't think that dropping the clutch and doing a burnout is abusing the car then what it? I know you can spin first through third pretty easy in this car but an actual burnout is a bit different.

During an actual burnout, the motor would be bouncing around quite a bit in the engine bay and there is also wheel hop.

I sorry to hear about your problems with your car Darksun. It's hard fighting a big company like that since you feel it's hopeless to actually get through to somebody who can make a good and logical decision. I wish you luck man.

point is my tires aren't no where near being bald. its bulls***. If they can pass a state emissions check a dealer shouldn't beable to use them against you

 

[jaydubz]

Darksun can you forward me more pics of your car and the damage that happened along with the name of the dealership? Your car is indeed a 08 correct?

 

[Darksun280]

Darksun can you forward me more pics of your car and the damage that happened along with the name of the dealership? Your car is indeed a 08 correct?

those mount pics are the only ones i have and my car is still 120 miles away from me at the dealer that voided me.

 

[MS3077]

Well, bald tires means you have at some point either done a few burnouts and/or are nailing it through the first few gears. In this car it's sorta a non issue since it has so much power but it is just one indicator.

If you don't think that dropping the clutch and doing a burnout is abusing the car then what it? I know you can spin first through third pretty easy in this car but an actual burnout is a bit different.

During an actual burnout, the motor would be bouncing around quite a bit in the engine bay and there is also wheel hop.

I sorry to hear about your problems with your car Darksun. It's hard fighting a big company like that since you feel it's hopeless to actually get through to somebody who can make a good and logical decision. I wish you luck man.

I don't have wheel-hop when I do burnouts and I don't have to drop the clutch to do one. It's extremely easy to do burn-outs in this car. So my point is bald tires mean dick on this car.