Mazda Trying To Screw Me!

This post is the first I have read about having to sign a special letter when you add a Mazdaspeed CAI. Maybe some dealers did this, but I don't see any indication of it being a Mazda policy.

The Mazdaspeed CAI does not void any part of the cars warranty. It is covered by a one year warranty but has no impact on any other part of the car from a warranty POV.
 
The CAI issue was just released last week or so...Prior sales of it will not be affected, Mazda USA is probably gonna pull it off the shelf....Apparantly it causes issues....Again...The Mazdaspeed parts, sold and installed by Mazda service, will not void a warrantee, but any other Non-MS parts will.....It's just common sense that they will not cover the engine if you modify the parts...They have tuned the car to run within certain specifications...and outside those specs they cannot warrantee the powertrains...It's that simple..
 
I knew this would end up happening. I come to a stop today in my driveway and the exhaust starts smelling like burning oil. This is the second time it's happened in a week. It starts puffing white smoke until I hit the gas and then it goes away, but smells very strong. I actually thought it was my clutch since I was spirited driving until I saw the amout of smoke coming from the tailpipe. I call Mazda, and what to my surprise, I have no powertrain warranty due to a turboback. I then proceeded to tell them they need to prove that the turboback was the reason for the turbo going bad (had the turboback on for 9 months). Service manger isn't in until Monday so I'm going to reem his ass when I call him for voiding my warranty.

Any recommendations? I really want to do the turbo rebuild anyway and I'm feeling like this is a kick in the ass to do so, but it's still extremely cold out and I don't feel like spending all day undoing nuts and bolts until it gets warmer.

The only two mods on there are the turboback and the cold air intake as of now.

Word to the wise. delete this post NOW before Mazda reps find you and definately void your warranty for good. All in total its going to cost $3,015 if they void your warranty and you have to pay for it. Close this now. Trust me.
 
My warranty was voided due to the cold air intake. So if you have issues with the car, go back to stock otherwise you'll be screwed. As for this thread, it remains as a reference tool.
 
So I thought too, but when the car was warmed up and started smoking white and smelling like burnt oil that was the main indicator. I know the difference between condensation and oil.
 
It's that simple..

it's not, though. the MM act specifically refutes what you've said. while i feel a case by case situation can be problematic for the average consumer due to time and financial (legal) constraints, the big picture in regard to mazda's stance is US law dictates you can add parts that replace their parts without automatically voiding the warranty and mazda has to understand this. furthermore, if you were allowed to add their intake designed by an aftermarket manufacturer, then you can add your intake, as long as it doesn't directly fall responsible for a warranty claim.

also, from what i know, it's not SOP to sign paperwork; maybe some dealers instituted that, but it's not SOP across the board from what i've seen.

whatever the case is, the burden of proof is on them to prove that the part was the direct cause of whatever issue in question, and i know this is a problem due to said constraints.

it's obvious that mazda/fomoco/whomever has incredible financial reach and the cream of the crop in terms of legal council, it might be prudent to familiarize yourself with the MM and like i said before, this should be run by someone at SEMA SAN...

i have no had a problem because i'm not diving deep into modifying my car past an intake, RP and small items, but god forbid i have a problem and they try to deny me on the basis of this fear that they are instilling in all of you...
 
the MM act specifically refutes what you've said.
from my interpretation of the MM act and its intent a part that enhances the performance of the vehicle is not applicable. it's my understanding that the MM act seeks to allow you to replace your parts with those manufactured to the same specs as stock but by other parts manufacturers, e.g. a fram oil filter instead of a mazda, not ones that increase performance as those explicitly void warranties.

furthermore, if you were allowed to add their intake designed by an aftermarket manufacturer, then you can add your intake, as long as it doesn't directly fall responsible for a warranty claim.
as far as i know mazda doesn't sell an intake. mazdaspeed does. they're different entities and mazda USA is the one who your warranty is through

whatever the case is, the burden of proof is on them to prove that the part was the direct cause of whatever issue in question, and i know this is a problem due to said constraints.
that's true at the legal level. problem is it costs money to get there and unfortunately the dealer you take your car to for warranty claims doesn't care about the MM act as the warranty isn't through them anyways so it's not worth their fight

if you want to keep your warranty keep your car stock and take it to the dealer for service. anything else leaves you open to the dealer's mercy. of course even then they can always claim abuse so warranties on the whole are pretty worthless
 
it depends on the dealer honoring your warranty. a CBE does pretty much nothing so they shouldn't make a big deal about it. on the other hand it is a modification that causes the car to perform outside of its intended specifications so they could decline your warranty claim
 
Ok so what about a CBE, do you think I will face the firing squad for that mod?

If you want to be 100% safe then you'll have to go with the Mazdaspeed Catback. Like I said before, my warranty was voided due to an INTAKE, not the turboback. I just bought a new turbo and I'm having it sent out to PG tomorrow to have it rebuilt. **** it, if my warranty is gone might as well make the best out of it.

I'm just saying if you have ANY mods on the car be prepared to pay the price. If something screws up then they can easily make up an excuse to blame the aftermarket part. I hate to side with them, but most of the smoking turbos are because of the aftermarket downpipe, but the turbo should be able to hold to those specs still. We'll see what happens in two weeks when I put the new turbo on.

In the future, I'm going to stick with a short ram intake due to the ease of going back stock in a matter of minutes rather then having to jack the car and get into the wheel well.
 
If you want to be 100% safe then you'll have to go with the Mazdaspeed Catback. Like I said before, my warranty was voided due to an INTAKE, not the turboback. I just bought a new turbo and I'm having it sent out to PG tomorrow to have it rebuilt. **** it, if my warranty is gone might as well make the best out of it.

I'm just saying if you have ANY mods on the car be prepared to pay the price. If something screws up then they can easily make up an excuse to blame the aftermarket part. I hate to side with them, but most of the smoking turbos are because of the aftermarket downpipe, but the turbo should be able to hold to those specs still. We'll see what happens in two weeks when I put the new turbo on.

In the future, I'm going to stick with a short ram intake due to the ease of going back stock in a matter of minutes rather then having to jack the car and get into the wheel well.

so are you gonna do the turbo install yourself steve?
 
This has been one interesting thread. So far the only problem I have had with my 07 MS3 was the Trans mount falling apart even after the recall was allegedly performed on my car. The dealer took care of all repairs and told me that they would not submitted to warranty since I have some mods on my car and they were looking out for ME. At the same time they were telling me that the cause for my mount failure was my after market stiffer rear engine mount. Later I found out from the manufacturer of my rear engine mount who contacted the Service Dept. at my dealer and told me that the recall mount was probably installed wrong. long story longer, the dealer told me they were looking out for me when they might have been looking out for themselves and their mechanic. In the end my car was fixed and my warranty is still intact.
 
CBE dosnt efect emmisions and mufflers go bad exhaust goes bad rust through granted it should take longer then the tre years they warenty us.
 
Non taken, but the fact of the matter is they just warrantied someone else's car that had just an intake a little while back. That should be enough proof to say, "Hey, even with having a stock car there's still the same amount of chance of the seals going bad." People are saying it's a known issue, but why are they so reluctant to warranty this if that was the situation? Worst case, they don't warranty it and I have to buy another turbo. If that happens, then **** it, I'll buy another turbo and have it rebuilt through PG. (rockon)

actually have never heard of this issue on a stock TBE, always upgraded dp or some sort of exhaust upgrade
 
so are you gonna do the turbo install yourself steve?

Depends on weather. I'm driving the car no more then 2 miles back and forth to work just because I have no choice. As soon as the turbo comes in we'll see. I'm not going to wait weeks just to have the privilege of installing the turbo myself lol. On the bright side the new turbo is going in right before the weather gets warm.
 
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from my interpretation of the MM act and its intent a part that enhances the performance of the vehicle is not applicable. it's my understanding that the MM act seeks to allow you to replace your parts with those manufactured to the same specs as stock but by other parts manufacturers, e.g. a fram oil filter instead of a mazda, not ones that increase performance as those explicitly void warranties.

that isn't correct. no matter what the part does, if it offers a quantitative performance increase in some manner, increases efficiency, enhances appearance, whatever...you are allowed to add that part, provided that it does not directly contribute to the basis of a warranty claim. if the part is found to be the direct cause of a problem, then that problem is not mazda's responsibility, however, the mere presence of an aftermarket performance item is by no means, 100% NOT VALID GROUNDS FOR AN AUTOMATICALLY voided warranty. If you read the warranty information for your car, you will see that it summarizes this exact notion, something to the effect of "adding aftermarket devices that alter engine ignition timing, fuel delivery or boost pressure may lead to serious engine damage and MAY VOID YOUR WARRANTY". i have yet to find conclusive information in the Mazda warranty that dictates an automatic denial based on the presense of aftermarket equipment...

Again, the burden of proof is on them...accusation doesn't hold water here. They can say what they want, but without hard proof, you legally have the ability to counter that and win.

as far as i know mazda doesn't sell an intake. mazdaspeed does. they're different entities and mazda USA is the one who your warranty is through

i think this one is a misinterpretation of semantics on your end. mazda dealerships offer(ed) the intake, which was designed through a performance division for installation on their vehicles. From what i've seen, it's not SOP to require owner agreement to some sort of warranty addendum or disclaimer based solely on the installation of that part. There may be warnings about a correlation between it and potential issues, however, there is no legal addendum inferred. Maybe some dealerships instituted that, or there is some sort of card and accompanying literature that dictates some sort of warning, however, again, the fact that one can add that intake and forgo coverage, or at that one and not another style and forgo coverage is ridiculous. That is said without regard to the original fact that you can indeed add a part without automatic issue.


that's true at the legal level. problem is it costs money to get there and unfortunately the dealer you take your car to for warranty claims doesn't care about the MM act as the warranty isn't through them anyways so it's not worth their fight

possibly, meaning this type of mistreatment might occur with that thinking abound, but since the warranty isn't through them (it's ideally backed by Mazda USA), they they can't effectively void it. And moreover, they can't automatically do it based on what we've talked about (merely adding a part).

if you want to keep your warranty keep your car stock and take it to the dealer for service. anything else leaves you open to the dealer's mercy. of course even then they can always claim abuse so warranties on the whole are pretty worthless

that is obsurd (warranties are worthless)! how do you think the automotive aftermarket has become so big? because everyone risks warranties and/or modifies old cars? no! there is legislation to protect you. whether or not you want to engage in a battle and win, that is up to you, however, the laws are there to protect you, interestingly enough, not them! That isn't always the case, however, this time it is.

if you encounter an issue with a particular dealer and they overstep their bounds and/or are treating you unfairly according to the law and your rights, you certainly have to appeal to a corporate representative, and know your rights while doing so. Fighting a supposed Goliath (the dealer) isn't as hard as everyone thinks, and it's not necessarily an issue of cost. It's an issue of knowledge, rights, and effort. If everyone just let someone with more money push them around, we'd never be where we are today.

the bottom line is be sensible, and realize that the more you mod, the more ignorance and difficulty you will face. i'd be out of a job if adding intakes and similar items were deemed unacceptable under the eyes of new vehicle warranties. dealerships and at time, manufacturers, will obviously look for any means available to get out from underneath financial responsibility for a warranty issue. replacing turbos doesn't make mazda money, but just because they have an issue on their hands, doesn't mean the issue is directly related to and can be blamed on your intake, or your colored 'boost tubes'.
 
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