ETS 3.5" Top mount powder coated all black.

[SPEED3TYPE2]

good point, but the diff in a human is much greater cuase we release internal heat thru our skin "sweat-evaporative cooling" with latex the sweat would not be able to evaporate dramitcally increasing temp. the powder coat is so thin its just hard to see it as an insualtor

 

[trufanatic]

powdercoat itself might seem like a thin film but its composition makes it insulate.

 

[Maxx Mazda]

powdercoat itself might seem like a thin film but its composition makes it insulate.

Show me some proof, cause you've got your head up your ass. This has been beaten to death and it has no measurable difference... Stop over thinking it, and just realize that the amount of heat it actually "traps" is so small that ti's negligable.

 

[fourthmeal]

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[Kynetx]

Powder-coating seems really counter-intuitive to me. An air-to-air intercooler works by flowing air over aluminum fins. Putting a layer of plastic over it would inhibit the flow of heat and cause a partial obstruction to airflow.
I guess anodizing would work since the coating is only a couple of microns thick, but the thicker oxide layer does transfer heat less efficiently than a non-anodized part. I doubt that it would make enough of a difference to matter.
Black objects are better at radiating heat than white objects. As for whether or not that makes a difference in this application, only testing can show.
Make sense?

 

[Maxx Mazda]

I never said there is NO effect, jsut that the effects are negligable (sp?)

 

[voiceKoil]

I talked with Protege Garage about this recently. They said the black coloring has no measurable effect and is merely cosmetic.

Ive heard the same(cool)

ALSO, as many of you may or may not know, Aluminum is NOT the best material to use to make radiators/intercoolers because its thermal properties are not truely the best, they are just above average. Ill put it this way, its not cast iron. IT is light and easy to work with that is why it is used, so truely it just matters how well the intercooler is designed, so making the metal slightly less efficeint is not going to hurt anything.

DID a quick search and if you going to worry about a little powdercoat maybe you should get a core made out of Copper, which is a given, Silver or Gold of all things, They really kick Aluminums ass...

 

[ericrapp]

Ah so friggin damn pretty:

But.......is this a **REAL BAD** idea for a daily driver? I know the bare aluminum would shed heat better but how bad is it to powder the entire TMIC? I am not 100% on FMIC and looking at TMIC now. Figures........
Man that thing is killer looking!!
Matt

It does look good. I have the 3.5 straight up but I am going to anodize the shroud plate. I think we can get close to the cosmic blue in color. We will leave the fins alone

 

[dkswim]

aviation wise sr-71 was painted black to aid in cooling as a side efect it made it harder to see. a good absorber of heat is also a good conductor aperently. who knew.

 

[trufanatic]

aviation wise sr-71 was painted black to aid in cooling as a side efect it made it harder to see. a good absorber of heat is also a good conductor aperently. who knew.

I'm air force so lets talk planes. the sr71 flew at 80-85thousand feet do you and to take a guess what the ambient temperature is at that altitude? The J58s used on the sr71 atomized and injested so much air to cool the aircraft that air temps were negative degrees..not to be an ass but totally irrelevant argument. And i can go on for days why the airforce actually uses black on its planes and what the actual composition does for stealth but back on topic.

Show me some proof, cause you've got your head up your ass. This has been beaten to death and it has no measurable difference... Stop over thinking it, and just realize that the amount of heat it actually "traps" is so small that ti's negligable.

WoW. you sir are a mojor TOOL. everyone else in this thread has the common sense that when you paint any metal surface it gets insulated.negligable difference, so that means there is one? so does that also mean that the more boost and hot air you put thru that thing will change negligable to significant? why buy something truely 100% performance oriented and take away a percentage from it for visual stimulation?. im not going to argue with you.....i'll make it easy, im going to tell you the same thing i use to tell my ex wife.....you win.

 

[SwampAss]

I'm air force so lets talk planes. the sr71 flew at 80-85thousand feet do you and to take a guess what the ambient temperature is at that altitude? The J58s used on the sr71 atomized and injested so much air to cool the aircraft that air temps were negative degrees..not to be an ass but totally irrelevant argument. And i can go on for days why the airforce actually uses black on its planes and what the actual composition does for stealth but back on topic.

To continue the off topic; ambient temps at altitude are almost irrelevant. We'd have a planet littered with space material if it was. Material that would have never burned up on entry to the earth's atmosphere. The friction of pushing air over a surface @ almost MACH 3 generates a lot of heat. I'm in the industry as well but from a missile standpoint.

 

[boostdog]

I didn't read the entire thread but I would not buy it if the whole thing is coated..also theres an old racers trick that some do by painting the bottom if intake manifolds white to disapate (SP?) heat faster/better..i assume that intercooler would not be as effecient as if it were not powdercoated..looks good though!

 

[Mid_Life_Crisis]

To continue the off topic; ambient temps at altitude are almost irrelevant. We'd have a planet littered with space material if it was. Material that would have never burned up on entry to the earth's atmosphere. The friction of pushing air over a surface @ almost MACH 3 generates a lot of heat. I'm in the industry as well but from a missile standpoint.

Why does the thought of you working on a missile system make me more than just a little nervous?

I can see it now...
"The way it comes back and does a flyby over the launcher before it goes after the target - that's funny s***, ain't it!"

 

[SwampAss]

hehe. In that case, I won't tell you anything about the rail gun.

 

[Mid_Life_Crisis]

I didn't read the entire thread but I would not buy it if the whole thing is coated..also theres an old racers trick that some do by painting the bottom if intake manifolds white to disapate (SP?) heat faster/better..i assume that intercooler would not be as effecient as if it were not powdercoated..looks good though!

White reflects heat. The idea there was to reflect heat coming up from the engine (we are talking V8s here) back down so the manifold is slower to heat up. This theoretically would keep the air/fuel charge coming in cooler and denser, which is good for the many reasons we all know.

Since you asked, the word is "dissipate".

 

[trufanatic]

To continue the off topic; ambient temps at altitude are almost irrelevant. We'd have a planet littered with space material if it was. Material that would have never burned up on entry to the earth's atmosphere. The friction of pushing air over a surface @ almost MACH 3 generates a lot of heat. I'm in the industry as well but from a missile standpoint.

agreed but it all boils down to the composition of the paint/material being used, so ths discussion is wayyy off. what used on AF planes and missiles isnt the same s*** used on cars.

 

[enganear]

The purpose of the intercooler is to transfer heat from the gas inside to the gas outside by direct contact with both gases. Radiation is a negligible factor for this application, so forget about the color.

ANY coating, (paint, powder or anodizing) will reduce the heat transferred by adding another layer through which all heat must be transferred.

And yeah, bad spelling and/or lack of punctuation and capitalization is just offensive and reflects badly on the writer, IMHO.
-enganear

 

[Andrade08]

And yeah, bad spelling and/or lack of punctuation and capitalization is just offensive and reflects badly on the writer, IMHO.
-enganear

OK you know what........sorry! Sorry I spelled a word wrong. Sorry I offended people by spelling a word wrong. From now on I guess I will use spell check because ***I SPELL BAD*** Always have. I am good with numbers and I can build motors and trannys but I can't spell. **SORRY**


I just figured this being a **FORUM** I view it as a relaxing place to shoot the crap. I figured that I didn't have to worry about being perfect with all my punctuation, spelling and word usage but I guess I do because some people are offended by things like this and it makes me look ***BAD***....... It's not like I am typing the "F" word in my posts and threads like I see ALL over these forums. I do not use those abbreviated letters from texting that are all over this forum. But..............you know what.............SORRY! I will use spell check from here on in.

Back to the TMIC.........I am going to get a 3.25" set up and have the outer rim coated at a local powder coater I use. I want the rim in a flat black color. I am then going to use my Eastwood Co. flat black radiator paint on the cooler & tanks. 3 thin coats should do it. I want to try and copy the "MZR 2.3 DISI Turbo" on the front tank also. I think it would look cool?

 

[SwampAss]

http://www.iespell.com/

it's free and saves a ton of headaches.

 

[Mid_Life_Crisis]

http://www.iespell.com/

it's free and saves a ton of headaches.

That looks pretty cool. I haven't installed it yet, but I will.

For those that don't use IE, here's a little trick to make spellchecking easier.
Most of us are at work, which means we have Word, or something similar, on our computers. Create a Word document and stick it in the corner of your desktop. Name it Spellcheck. Any time you aren't sure about a spelling and want to be sure you get it right, paste into the document. Word will let you know if it is wrong and offer suggestions. When you close the doc, select "No" to the offer to save changes, and it'll always be empty and clean.
You might paste the link to your favorite online dictionary in it and save it so that if word suggests something you don't recognize you can just open a dictionary with one click.