Thoughts, observations on Cobb AP

[Mid_Life_Crisis]

There are some here who seem to have some misconceptions regarding this device.
It is not an add-on "interceptor" type device. It literally rewrites the maps inside your car's computer. The ECU cannot "learn" the changes you make, because you have changed the ECU itself.
The first thing that happens when you use the device is that it makes a copy of the stock map in the event that you should need to restore the ECU to stock.
The second thing is that it loads the new map into the ECU. Once that is done you can put the AP in your house and go for a drive. Unless you want to change your map, you don't need it in the car. (it might have logging features - I think so, but I'm not positive).
There was a heated debate in another thread about using it with non-cobb recommended mods. The entertaining thing about the debate as an observer is that both sides were probably right. If Cobb developed maps based on certain upgrades being installed, it is probably a wise idea to stay close to those mods. On the other hand, Cobb will be providing the ability to write your own maps, so literally anything goes as far as mods are concerned, as long as you know what changes to make to account for your mods.

 

[Sierra117]

Well, as a vocal member of the "Duke Nuken 4+Cobb" majority, I'm also vocal enough to admit I was wrong, and I'm eating my words. And I just found out I'm locked in for a $1,250 cash bonus in February. Hellz ya. Looks good, and perfect for me, who just wants a nice, reliable daily that can scoot well.

 

[Haltech]

The common misconception with companies who reflash the ECU's or make devices that do so is, it's still the same stock software used. What changes are the parameter settings for the stock values. Companies like Cobb get a hold of the stock map, somehow, someway. They than engineer software that can read that map and make changes to it. The most important part of their software is allowing it to be uploaded to the stock ECU, but at the same time, allowing you to grab and store the original flash for later use.

I saw the thread about the modded CD Fuel Pump and not being recommended by Cobb to use with the AP. Im calling bigtime shins on this and it will be proven the second these things go on sale. Down the road, im sure Cobb will allow the parameters of the pump to be adjusted to fine tune the car, so this is why Cobb doesnt advise it to be used with their maps. Hell, they may not even have a modded pump on their car to bless it as guranteed to work. Cobb really should look into the CDFP game and get involved with releasing their own pump as well.

With the Stage 1&2 maps, this will allow people to make changes once their pro-software is available so the rest of us can continue the mod future and adjust the map accordingly. Standback and XeDe are done at this point because a piggyback just doesnt cut it, especially with it not being PnP and not allowing full control of the ECU. Like i said a long time ago.. the first one to the table with a device to give you complete control of the ECU, makes it plug-n-play and allows even the beginner to flash their car to basic higher levels, wins. Looks like its Cobb and anyone of us can take the modded flash off, return to stock and visit the dealer.

 

[driver311]

Even though the cobb will be on there it will still be using the map and maf. Any small changes to the car will not be that big of a deal. Though I dont recommend throwing a 35r on the car and running the stg2 map. It wont be good. LOL

 

[Sierra117]

With the Stage 1&2 maps, this will allow people to make changes once their pro-software is available so the rest of us can continue the mod future and adjust the map accordingly.

And all you bastards better be sharing those maps! (dance)

Though I dont recommend throwing a 35r on the car and running the stg2 map. It wont be good. LOL

Anything less than a 4488 is too small. Just ask any Viper or Supra owner.

 

[Haltech]

Ill be happy to share my tunes.. Ill have them downloadable from my website.

 

[ms3guy22]

i like the ap but you won't be able to get a dyno tune for some time after the ap is released. So essentially your running off the shelf tunes, sounds like a recipe to go boom.

 

[matsuda]

i like the ap but you won't be able to get a dyno tune for some time after the ap is released. So essentially your running off the shelf tunes, sounds like a recipe to go boom.

It looks like Q4 2008 at the earliest for the tuning software.
So people won't be able to tune until maybe 1 year later.

 

[staples187]

Well if the AP rewrites your ECU that sounds a little sketchy. It would be good if there was a way you could backup your stock map. Incase something happens to the engine and you pull the AP and aren't screwed because the dealer wont warranty the car due to it being screwed with.

 

[desperado-c]

It looks like Q4 2008 at the earliest for the tuning software.
So people won't be able to tune until maybe 1 year later.

Yup, a little breathing room for Standback (and maybe Xede) since they're tunable now. It ain't over until the fat lady sings . . . the PnP aria. I'm still kind of pulling for the Standback but PnP w/o tuning will probably draw in a lot of people over tuning w/o PnP for the same money. Maybe that's why CP-E is focusing on the 6! Captive market, so to speak.

 

[sierra248]

Cobbs OTS Maps will be conservative for sure, but expect pretty big gains. Look at what an 04 WRX Stage 0 gets for power and youll see what I mean.
Tom

 

[numbnuts22715]

Well if the AP rewrites your ECU that sounds a little sketchy. It would be good if there was a way you could backup your stock map. Incase something happens to the engine and you pull the AP and aren't screwed because the dealer wont warranty the car due to it being screwed with.

It saves an exact copy of the stock map on your ecu, so if you decide to go back to stock, you can put the exact same information on the ecu that was on before you flashed it.

Cobb knows what theyre doing.

 

[USAF_TRobertson]

Well if the AP rewrites your ECU that sounds a little sketchy. It would be good if there was a way you could backup your stock map. Incase something happens to the engine and you pull the AP and aren't screwed because the dealer wont warranty the car due to it being screwed with.

Holy s*** dude did you even read the first post... there should be an IQ test to register on these forums sometimes.

The first thing that happens when you use the device is that it makes a copy of the stock map in the event that you should need to restore the ECU to stock.
The second thing is that it loads the new map into the ECU.

 

[Haltech]

Well if the AP rewrites your ECU that sounds a little sketchy. It would be good if there was a way you could backup your stock map. Incase something happens to the engine and you pull the AP and aren't screwed because the dealer wont warranty the car due to it being screwed with.

I guess you didnt bother to read anything about the AP or what i typed eariler.. Umm, it DOWNLOADS your stock map for you and you can re-upload it at anytime.

 

[Haltech]

i like the ap but you won't be able to get a dyno tune for some time after the ap is released. So essentially your running off the shelf tunes, sounds like a recipe to go boom.

These arent off the shelf tunes.. They are tested and conservative.

 

[jp4130]

Ill be happy to share my tunes.. Ill have them downloadable from my website.

Is this common in the suburu community?

Even though the cobb will be on there it will still be using the map and maf. Any small changes to the car will not be that big of a deal. Though I dont recommend throwing a 35r on the car and running the stg2 map. It wont be good. LOL

Why will you need to do this with full control of the ecu? Or is this your plan to trick the stage one maps tune till you can get a protune?

 

[sierra248]

Anyone actually believe that the AP will be available later this month as stated? The 350Z AP was slated to go out before ours at christmas and is still not out. I'm not bitchin, I'm waiting for the AP as long as I have to and as HALTECH said, there Tunes are very good. Ask any Subby guy with a Stage 0 or 1 Cobb AP and all they will say is how well worth the money it is and how the car "Should have come like this". I'm betting they make some pretty decent gains from just the AP, no other mods at all!!!!, just hope it comes out soon.
Tom

 

[clos561]

what if.....you download the stock map, u have a tune map loaded and the ap ***** up and u lose ur stock map? Im still thinking cp-e PNP with the "throttle plate" control is gona be top choice.

 

[numbnuts22715]

what if.....you download the stock map, u have a tune map loaded and the ap ***** up and u lose ur stock map? Im still thinking cp-e PNP with the "throttle plate" control is gona be top choice.

Im not exactly sure I understand what you mean.
You can save the maps onto your pc to have a backup, that way you won't lose anything.
Cobb has control over the throttle as well from what Ive seen some of the guys post.

A piggyback will never be as good as a flash or a standalone. That's just the way it is.

 

[laloosh]

what if.....you download the stock map, u have a tune map loaded and the ap ***** up and u lose ur stock map? Im still thinking cp-e PNP with the "throttle plate" control is gona be top choice.

piggy back<reflash