new cobalt ss , ms3's killer ???

But face it, a lot of people still hate hatches and a lot of people still think the MS3 is fast, well built, full of utility, but ugly.
If chevy doesn't screw this up somehow, they are gunna move a lot of units.

Hater~! haha j/k

I <3 hatches, but I understand I'm the minority in this nation.

Yeah... I don't think they'll have problems selling the Cobalt. Contrary to what people assume, even the current gen Cobalt SS actually got praised (by pubs) for its well-executed interior, fit and finish-wise. You really cannot compare it to the Crapolier (to whoever said he liked the Cavalier better). =p
 
the bottom line is that the cobalt ss is looking to be a very fun econo-rocket to drive, and if you're willing to settle with a lesser interior and fewer refinements in exchange for more performance, then this would be a very tempting choice.

now, i understand that many of us here stand by our ms3's because we believe we have the better overall package, but the fact of the matter is that there's plenty of people out there who could care less and just want the most boosted power and turning ability that the least amount of money can buy. for the same reason the srt4 neon did as well as it did, the cobalt ss stands to have a similar following when it releases. it might not be your cup of tea, but hell, SOMEONE will drink it, and LIKE it! ;o
 
Hater~! haha j/k

I <3 hatches, but I understand I'm the minority in this nation.

Yeah... I don't think they'll have problems selling the Cobalt. Contrary to what people assume, even the current gen Cobalt SS actually got praised (by pubs) for its well-executed interior, fit and finish-wise. You really cannot compare it to the Crapolier (to whoever said he liked the Cavalier better). =p

I'm at work so I can't pull anything... but every review/comparro I read said the opposite. What pubs were these?
 
yeah, I dont remember anyone praising the Cobalts interior...Maybe the Recaro seats, but thats it.
 
I'm at work so I can't pull anything... but every review/comparro I read said the opposite. What pubs were these?

Just a few of the major publications... I wonder which ones you were reading.

http://www.caranddriver.com/previews/8207/2005-chevrolet-cobalt.html

one more universal small sedan, but the interior is a mini-Lexus in its shapes, tones, and textures.​

http://www.caranddriver.com/previews/9020/chevrolet-cobalt-ss-supercharged.html

As it happens, it's astoundingly goodan Olympic long jump for GM, from dead last to the head of the class, right up front with the Toyota Corolla and Honda Civic. You may have already gleaned that from our first Cobalt preview last July. We alluded to superb interior trim that mimics a Volkswagen's; the fancy hydroelastic rear-suspension bushings that pacify the ride (and cost GM $30 extra per car, according to vice-chairman Bob Lutz); a cabin soundproofed to luxury-car stillness by multiple door seals, molded acoustic pads, and 37 pounds of laminated "quiet steel"; and the Euro-'spensive Continental and Pirelli tires.​

http://car-reviews.automobile.com/C...vrolet-cobalt-ss-supercharged-road-test/3150/


The car has the looks, but given the choices sport compact buyers have, how does it drive?

Quite well, as it turns out. As we said, if you're a Cavalier owner the Cobalt will blow you away. It's a huge step forward. The chassis rigidity of the international Delta platform (also shared with that exciting new Saturn Astra) is leagues above the J-Body, and gives the car a nice, tight feeling. For the Cobalt application, the Delta underpinnings come alive; it seems perfectly suited to its sporty demeanor. People often talk about rigid structures as a vital starting point to tuning the car dynamically, and the Cobalt SS doesn't disappoint. Not only does it have a solid feel, but you feel just as confident tracking straight and true on the highway as you would on a twisty back road.​

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests...cobalt_ss_supercharged/steering_interior.html


Inside, standard leather seats, an A-pillar boost gauge, Pioneer seven-speaker stereo, and leather-wrapped shifter are pleasant surprises. And the optional Recaro seats are among the best at balancing sporty firmness and long-distance comfort.​
 
As it happens, it's astoundingly goodan Olympic long jump for GM, from dead last to the head of the class, right up front with the Toyota Corolla and Honda Civic. You may have already gleaned that from our first Cobalt preview last July. We alluded to superb interior trim that mimics a Volkswagen's; the fancy hydroelastic rear-suspension bushings that pacify the ride (and cost GM $30 extra per car, according to vice-chairman Bob Lutz); a cabin soundproofed to luxury-car stillness by multiple door seals, molded acoustic pads, and 37 pounds of laminated "quiet steel"; and the Euro-'spensive Continental and Pirelli tires.

http://car-reviews.automobile.com/C...vrolet-cobalt-ss-supercharged-road-test/3150/
thats a LOAD of CRAP. You know how many of those "fancy" bushings Ive had to replace for a symptom not unlike the MSP's "clunk"
 
Hater~! haha j/k

I <3 hatches, but I understand I'm the minority in this nation.

Yeah... I don't think they'll have problems selling the Cobalt. Contrary to what people assume, even the current gen Cobalt SS actually got praised (by pubs) for its well-executed interior, fit and finish-wise. You really cannot compare it to the Crapolier (to whoever said he liked the Cavalier better). =p

Hey I drive a hatch myself (02 P5 owner here)
 
i went to test drive one when my friend was looking to buy a car and the interior was mainly plastic...it was the most expensive model and fully loaded and it had a whole lot of plastic inside which made hollow noise when i tapped on it...we have to wait for spec sheets on these things...this car could be less restrictive from the factory like the srt4 caliber which gives it the extra horsepower to match our cars...
 
thats a LOAD of CRAP. You know how many of those "fancy" bushings Ive had to replace for a symptom not unlike the MSP's "clunk"

Tell that to Bob Lutz. Frankly, I don't even know what those bushing do as vehicle mechanics isn't one of my expertise. ^_^;;

Hey I drive a hatch myself (02 P5 owner here)

I knew that. =p Hatches rule! I wish we'd get more from the Europe.
 
the worst part about all the PLASTIC is that if you touch the same spot more than once it seems the paint wears off...Most of the plastic on the SS is painted silver and the door pull handles, radio bezel, glove compartment trim, etc looks like CRAP after only 15Kmiles when its all black and silver from the paint wearing off. Its sad honestly.
 
we jsut gota relax and give this thing some time untill reviews start coming out..when they compare it to the ms3. being a coupe can reduce price right? less doors and less complicated frame which also contributes to the low weight
 
we jsut gota relax and give this thing some time untill reviews start coming out..when they compare it to the ms3. being a coupe can reduce price right? less doors and less complicated frame which also contributes to the low weight
usually frame rigidity and extra bracing is a concern on coupes...Case in point the third gen Saturn SC2 weighed significantly more than the SL2 sedan.

I think it would be best to wait till the car is actually available for sale. I'll be looking for it coming off the truck soon hopefully.
 
and all this talk about the ring time..there is no proof yet and its not official..we got a guy that video taped himself driving and ran the time
 
Sorry if this offends anyone but just like the Srt4 Neon, no matter how fast they make it, it's still a Neon. Just like this car, I don't really care if it's really fast, I am not a fan of a boring car made to be not soo boring. It still just doesn't raise my pulse. That yellow car at the show was a very good effort though.

This is coming from a guy that never really liked any American car...except for a few cars that TOTALLY kick ass. The most affordable American cars are lame in my opinion. It's like a lot of them were MADE to be rental cars...
 
Just a few of the major publications... I wonder which ones you were reading.

Wow... you really went through a lot of trouble... hope it was worth it.

http://www.caranddriver.com/previews/8207/2005-chevrolet-cobalt.html
one more universal small sedan, but the interior is a mini-Lexus in its shapes, tones, and textures.​


Dude... you serious? This article came out in 2004 and is a 'preview'. more on that later...


http://www.caranddriver.com/previews/9020/chevrolet-cobalt-ss-supercharged.html
As it happens, it's astoundingly goodan Olympic long jump for GM, from dead last to the head of the class, right up front with the Toyota Corolla and Honda Civic. You may have already gleaned that from our first Cobalt preview last July. We alluded to superb interior trim that mimics a Volkswagen's; the fancy hydroelastic rear-suspension bushings that pacify the ride (and cost GM $30 extra per car, according to vice-chairman Bob Lutz); a cabin soundproofed to luxury-car stillness by multiple door seals, molded acoustic pads, and 37 pounds of laminated "quiet steel"; and the Euro-'spensive Continental and Pirelli tires.



Same thing here... just a year newer and the article is actually focused on the SS model


The car has the looks, but given the choices sport compact buyers have, how does it drive?

Quite well, as it turns out. As we said, if you're a Cavalier owner the Cobalt will blow you away. It's a huge step forward. The chassis rigidity of the international Delta platform (also shared with that exciting new Saturn Astra) is leagues above the J-Body, and gives the car a nice, tight feeling. For the Cobalt application, the Delta underpinnings come alive; it seems perfectly suited to its sporty demeanor. People often talk about rigid structures as a vital starting point to tuning the car dynamically, and the Cobalt SS doesn't disappoint. Not only does it have a solid feel, but you feel just as confident tracking straight and true on the highway as you would on a twisty back road.


A decent article... from a decent publication. but let's get back to the point here. nobody's faulting its performance capabilities or chassis rigidity. the argument was based on its low rent interior and shoddy build quality. show me what part of the quote you pasted above addresses this.


http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests...cobalt_ss_supercharged/steering_interior.html

Inside, standard leather seats, an A-pillar boost gauge, Pioneer seven-speaker stereo, and leather-wrapped shifter are pleasant surprises. And the optional Recaro seats are among the best at balancing sporty firmness and long-distance comfort.​

This one takes the cake... funny how you left the last sentence of the quote above off.

Maybe it's because the actual paragraph reads...

Inside, standard leather seats, an A-pillar boost gauge, Pioneer seven-speaker stereo, and leather-wrapped shifter are pleasant surprises. And the optional Recaro seats are among the best at balancing sporty firmness and long-distance comfort. But interior plastic, though better than Cavaliers of old, is hard and hollow and has a way to go to match lofty Japanese car standards.



Anyway... nice try but that was rather weak.


The thing about 'previews' is that (contrary to what some people infer) they're not actually reviews. At best, the writers spend a minimal amount of time in and around the vehicle while the PR guy/gal from the mfg chirps in their ear. At worst... they merely echo the sentiments of the mfg thus making it nothing more than a psuedo-advertisment... usually ending the (all too glowing) article with "while things seem promising, we'll hold out our final judgement until after a full review."

Regardless of that... here's one of the articles I was referring to.

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/Comparos/articleId=117762

It goes from worst to best... so you won't have to scroll long to find the Cobalt. (it finished in last place) The MS3 on the other hand... yeah, it was 1st.

Here's a portion of the article... note, I didn't chop it up to make my case.

"Unfortunately, there's still a lot of the worst of GM in the Cobalt SS Supercharged. This short-coupled coupe offers the least usable passenger package in the group, and its interior materials (aside from the Recaro seats) are far below the quality level set by the other contenders. The double-throwdown, combat-style rear wing just shows you that a styling clich can't disguise a weak people package. Add it all up and despite the Chevy's encouraging performance, it lacks the refinement and utility necessary to compete here."
 
Wow... you really went through a lot of trouble... hope it was worth it.

Not much trouble at all. (google) is your friend. It looks like you really went to a lot of trouble though. I understand this is a Mazda forum, and I do like my MS3. What cracks me up is how far some would go sometimes to put down other cars and any (however slight it might be) praise for the non-Mazda products. I guess that's just the nature of the forums. *^_^*
 
Not much trouble at all. (google) is your friend.

Telling everyone to google the Cobalt and read up on the reviews is one thing... pasting 4 separate links of articles you obviously read (how else could you have cut and past the part that backs up your claim?) is another.
It looks like you really went to a lot of trouble though.

It took me a few minutes... I won't deny it. But I felt it had to be done. Sometimes the truth is more important than a few minutes worth of time. Besides... my boss is out today so the inmates are running the asylum.

I understand this is a Mazda forum, and I do like my MS3. What cracks me up is how far some would go sometimes to put down other cars and any (however slight it might be) praise for the non-Mazda products. I guess that's just the nature of the forums. *^_^*

Nobody's going out of their way to put the Cobalt down. What I like about this forum so much is the fact that most of the people seem to be rather level headed and not nearly as full of bias as other boards. So far, the general consensus appears to be that the Cobalt kicks ass in terms of performance/handling... but, other than the seats, lacks in interior refinement. Looks are subjective so we'll leave that out of the equation. reliability? well... we'll just have to see. Let's just hope for Cobalt owners that the past doesn't reflect the future.
 
from what i can tell this is still civil so lets keep the discussion that way...
 
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