ProtegeGarage cams
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They've had them up for a while.
I'm rather interested to see what they do for our cars...
To bad they don't list the specs of them instead being all secretive about it.
I really don't think Stage2 can be all that big if you can still run the stock springs. I personally don't think they will match Stahe2 cams like Comp, or Crower. Yes, I do know that Comp doesn't make cams for our car but I simply said that for the fact being if you buy Stage2 cams from anyone you will always need to upgrade your springs.
Also, that price seems kinda high if they don't equal some of Crower's high lift cams
I really don't think Stage2 can be all that big if you can still run the stock springs. I personally don't think they will match Stahe2 cams like Comp, or Crower. Yes, I do know that Comp doesn't make cams for our car but I simply said that for the fact being if you buy Stage2 cams from anyone you will always need to upgrade your springs.
Also, that price seems kinda high if they don't equal some of Crower's high lift cams
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- 2002 BJFW, 2007 BK3P, 1979 SA22C, 2005 BK3P
price did go up dramatically on these cams. integral had to start from scratch more or less with new billets as was stated. the ones they had made prior were pretty much no good.
They likely wont make the kind of power you'd expect given the price - but they are something that is critical to any serious build because they allow the motor to support far more power in the long run.
Reason they are so expensive? there is such little demand for them for our cars, so cutting them from a billet is the only way to go. If we were honda's, there would be a plethora of cheap, cast cams to chose from - unfortunately we're not - sometimes it sucks being a protege.
er...on their own, they probably wont. Cams are a supporting modification. All they are going to do is allow the motor to breathe better, and give you more POTENTIAL
if they only made 10whp on their own, but allowed other modifications to yield higher gains, they are more than worth it.
I paid quite a bit for my custom built cams - theres no way i got 15whp out of them......but i did get power above the stock red line, and a set of cams that will support a pretty full on build.
FSCatalyst
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- Black Protege ES 2.0L
Does Crower make cams for our vehicles? Errm.. regardless best bet is to go custom. But I don't know or rather uneducated on cam specifications to make it 'work' for my Goals.
Protegebuddy
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- 2003 Spicy
They now also have a stage 2.5 only difference from stage 2 is the duration -Stage 2.5 has a duration of 268. would there be any power difference with only 4 more degrees??
Depends on alot of things. but yeah, it will make a difference. a slight adjustment in cams (lift, duration, overlap, overall advance) can have massive effects on what is going on.....
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- 2003.5 Laser Blue MSP
Yup, I was the first with the 2.5 cams. I still have them and they need to be installed. My head needs to be grinded so that the cams can fit, so im waiting till I build the block and Ill do it all at the same time.
What cam is hitting? surprised they didn't reduce the base circle to get the bigger lift cam to fit (thats what was done on the twiggy sticks...exhaust base circle was reduced, allowing monster lift within the original clearences)
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- 2003.5 Laser Blue MSP
Not sure since I didn't do the install. I had the shop contact Integral and they talked about the clearances that were off. I would imagine that Integral took care of the base circle because they fixed a few of the twiggy cams that were off. The shop wouldn't grid the .015 clearance needed without taking the head off.
Not sure since I didn't do the install. I had the shop contact Integral and they talked about the clearances that were off. I would imagine that Integral took care of the base circle because they fixed a few of the twiggy cams that were off. The shop wouldn't grid the .015 clearance needed without taking the head off.
Base circle reduction wasn't handled by integral - they just did a slight, but neccessary regrind of one of the journals.
Does anyone think they will be better than the Wagner cams?
Better meaning better quality all around, I heard those cams added a decent amount of power but $600 and one guys service technician at a shop said he wouldn't even be able to use them since they were so out of whack
Someone needs to bite on these cams that ProtegeGarage has and try them out, obviously you will need cam gears to get the maximum power out.
Anyone making cam springs so we don't have to use shims?
Better meaning better quality all around, I heard those cams added a decent amount of power but $600 and one guys service technician at a shop said he wouldn't even be able to use them since they were so out of whack
Someone needs to bite on these cams that ProtegeGarage has and try them out, obviously you will need cam gears to get the maximum power out.
Anyone making cam springs so we don't have to use shims?
wagner make cams for the FS now?
Next to noone makes after market cams for our cars dude....
and you will probably ALWAYS need to use shims.
Shims are used to adjust lash. You need to get the lash within a certain spec (dictated largely by the ramp rate of the cam lobe) since every motor is different (machining tollerences, different rates of wear etc) theres now way to get away without shimming in reality...
the twiggy sticks require only a few shim adjustments because they are designed for "stock fitment" - base circles are very close to standard and so forth..but you still will find yourself needing to replace a handful of shims.
Wagner might make them but I heard it's a matter of waiting for you to get them. Maybe 6 months or longer.
But do you think the Integral cams will be able to match the HP that Wagner cams provide. I think Captain should put some in a car and have them dynoed for us to see if they live up to expectations. If they do then he will be out of stock like he always is of the OBX headers
But do you think the Integral cams will be able to match the HP that Wagner cams provide. I think Captain should put some in a car and have them dynoed for us to see if they live up to expectations. If they do then he will be out of stock like he always is of the OBX headers
