I have a hard time believing the fanboi-ism of this car. It hasn't been out a year yet!
So true....So true....
Sometimes...I just love my MS3...
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So true....So true....
What you fail to understand is that the MS3 is a powerful car and your G35 is not a fair comparison. The G35 didn't come with a Supercharger (Standard as far as I believe anyway) and in its own right the 6mt is a drivers race with the MS3. The MS3 is an equal to any G35 on the road...stock for stock.
Now add the 6k to the MS3 that the Supercharger costs for the G35 with a proper tune and then lets see the end result. My money would be on the MS3. Speed is relative to the money spent. Your G35 was only fast because you dropped 5-6k on the SC and had it tuned.
Out the dealer door the MS3 is as equal or faster than the 350z, G35, Mustang etc. from a roll. The ONLY reason it is not faster from a Dig (IE 1/4 Mile) is because it is FWD. Hell once we get a proper Standback or PNP that allows us to tune the car ONLY, those cars will not stand a chance even from a Dig. The MS3 is badly tuned and I think Mazda left it that way to allow room to really allow tuners to really improve the car. Just look at how many HP/TQ you get from a simple CAI. Hell I would have to spend 5k on my S2000 to get that much HP because the car had no real room to work with as it was tuned to the max from Honda. Hell the only way to get any real power on the S2000 is to SC/Turbo it.
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i agree with what bravnik is saying if you put the same amount of money into a speed3 and a g35/350z the speed3 will murder those two
It doesn't matter.
The argument, that apparently only a very few people seem to understand, is that NO ONE has a highly modified MS3 yet. At least no one in this thread. When someone mods an MS3 and starts putting out serious HP numbers, YES, it will be fast.
As it stands right now, you all, the collective of MS3 owners assembled in this thread, do not have fast or quick cars comparatively speaking to what is out there.
Don't give me the "well if that car wasn't supercharged....and let's go stock to stock" because that point was never entered in the equation. The argument was never what's fair and unfair. The argument was about "what we all drive right now", because that is what you are basing the performance of the MS3 on.
The argument, that apparently only a very few people seem to understand, is that NO ONE has a highly modified MS3 yet. At least no one in this thread. When someone mods an MS3 and starts putting out serious HP numbers, YES, it will be fast.
As it stands right now, you all, the collective of MS3 owners assembled in this thread, do not have fast or quick cars comparatively speaking to what is out there.
Don't give me the "well if that car wasn't supercharged....and let's go stock to stock" because that point was never entered in the equation. The argument was never what's fair and unfair. The argument was about "what we all drive right now", because that is what you are basing the performance of the MS3 on.
No Swamp you are wrong. The MS3 is a fast car comparatively speaking and its the fastest in its class. So compairing apples to apples it is a fast car. On the other hand the OP said the MS3 is not fast and his G35 SC was. Well that opened the door to the rest of my comments.
Compairing the G35 to the MS3, the MS3 is faster..sorry but true. It is also faster than the Mustang, 350z, WRX etc. The only reason for low 1/4 is the FWD and the traction issue. But in RL on the road and the track the MS3 is faster by far than all of those I mentioned.
Now do you want to talk about whats out there? If so I can post a few pics of 8 sec Civics if you want. Or 1200 HP Grand Nationals or 1500 HP Supras. But that arguement is MOOT and Stupid as is the same arguement about the SC G35. Those cars have a ton of cash put into them to achieve their so called FAST.
Purchased off the showroom floor for under 25k, I would LOVE for you to link me a faster car than the MS3. Its not going to happen. So in the terms of FAST, yes the MS3 is FAST as hell compaired to whats out there in the 20-35k class of cars. The only cars that I would say are faster out the door are 30k+ cars of which the STi, EVO, GTO, are apart of.
Not to mention the MS3 is a ton faster than 60-80% of the production cars on the road today (Just an estimate but you get the point).
Is the MS3 an 8 sec pocket rocket? No. But is it fast compaired to other cars in its class and even cars well above its class? Yes, even with no tuning yet.
Lets not forget that there is always faster. There are a ton of Figher Pilots that would laugh in your face if you said you've been fast. However, the only people on earth that know what REALLY FAST is, all work for NASA.
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Bravnik --- You aren't seeing my point at all. I understand exactly what has been said and what I have been saying. The MS3 is not a powerful car, nor was my stock G35. Remember, I wan't really comparing any two vehicles. I simply said that the MS3 (stock!) is not a powerful car. My SC G35 was. I am sure the MS3 I have seen on this site that is reporting 400+ HP is a powerful car.
I don't understand why everyone is getting so defensive on this. Can't you folks just admit that the MS3 is not really a powerful car? Or at least concede that it is only "powerful" based on your limited / non-existent experience with truly powerful cars? I have driven a SC G35, a 2004 Corvette, and a 1969 Mustang with a small block SC V8 engine. Those cars... and only those cars I drove--- were powerful in my opinion. It taught me what a powerful car feels like. Knowing that, I can now, with a fair amount of accuracy, determine what other cars would be powerful. My MS3 with a CAI, my 92 Honda Civic, my 98 SC Camry V6, and my 84 Toyota Tercel do not feel and do not demonstrate what a powerful car is to me.
Swampass...I am glad at least you get my point.
I don't understand why everyone is getting so defensive on this. Can't you folks just admit that the MS3 is not really a powerful car? Or at least concede that it is only "powerful" based on your limited / non-existent experience with truly powerful cars? I have driven a SC G35, a 2004 Corvette, and a 1969 Mustang with a small block SC V8 engine. Those cars... and only those cars I drove--- were powerful in my opinion. It taught me what a powerful car feels like. Knowing that, I can now, with a fair amount of accuracy, determine what other cars would be powerful. My MS3 with a CAI, my 92 Honda Civic, my 98 SC Camry V6, and my 84 Toyota Tercel do not feel and do not demonstrate what a powerful car is to me.
Swampass...I am glad at least you get my point.
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Not that this was the focus of the discussion, but according to Car and Driver, you are wrong on every one of those asertions above. A 2007 Mustang, 350z, and WRX all have faster 0-60 times than a MS3. Except for the WRX, they all have better 1/4 mile times too. Unless you have some data to back that up, I have to yield to the professionals on the numbers.
Damn whats wrong with some of you people? "Powerful" is a subjective term... you know... opposite of OBJECTIVE. If he doesn't think it is powerful compared to what he's used to then that is a FAIR statement. If I rode in a 500hp car all day long then stepped into a MS3 I would probably agree that the MS3 is not a very powerful care. But its all relative.
My MS3 probably puts down roughly the same numbers that my eclipse did so I tend to feel this is a powerful car because I felt that way about my eclipse. Had I owned a Z06 before this car I probably wouldn't think so. And there is no debate whether this car is one if not THE most powerful car in its class, because it is. But that is NOT what the OP is saying. Just let the guy feel the way he wants to without having to come up with all these hypothetical situations.
My MS3 probably puts down roughly the same numbers that my eclipse did so I tend to feel this is a powerful car because I felt that way about my eclipse. Had I owned a Z06 before this car I probably wouldn't think so. And there is no debate whether this car is one if not THE most powerful car in its class, because it is. But that is NOT what the OP is saying. Just let the guy feel the way he wants to without having to come up with all these hypothetical situations.
92! pff. I've been driving mine in 95-105 degree weather since I've gotten it. Only 2 days ago when we 'THOUGHT' we were getting a hurricane and the temp dipped, did I finally get to roll down the windows.
I've never had a car with a filter in the a/c, and whether it's the filter or something else, I never smell car fumes from other vehicles or anything from outside. In Houston, you will smell some nasty smelling cars daily!
I hope it helps to keep the new car smell longer without all that crap coming inside.
I've never had a car with a filter in the a/c, and whether it's the filter or something else, I never smell car fumes from other vehicles or anything from outside. In Houston, you will smell some nasty smelling cars daily!
I hope it helps to keep the new car smell longer without all that crap coming inside.
The subjective/objective remark is brilliant and absolutely the way I feel. I love how people argue about how they feel about something, when really, everyone's gonna have their opinion and all they are doing is wasting a lot of time. With that said, the MS3 is powerful to me because I'm coming from an auto '01 Nissan Sentra. Then again, just about everything is powerful to me.
Interesting....I guess Car & Driver, Automoblie mag, and Road & Track should all start considering your opinion and expertise over their entire combinded staffs'. They all list the 2007 350Z as a "faster" car than the MS3. Both in 0-60 times and in the 1/4 mile. Last time I checked, beating a car in both of those categories, usually meant it was faster.
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While I agree that a MS3 is fast, I'd never take on a 350Z with one. RWD and no turbo lag FTW.
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350Z is heavy, and slow. Granted they are beautiful, and they can be made to run fast. But, by the nature of being built around a flexible platform that is shared with suv's, there are parts on the car that are simply overbuilt and far too heavy, and it shows when you drive it.
