06 EVO IX MR vs. 06/07 WRX STi. I have a few questions.

yeah. I probably will.

my question is:

How upside down will I be if I have only paid my car for 12months/a year ($510 a month)??

Initially the MS6 cost me 28K, but I went down in value nasty style...i believe it's worth $20K-22K with 15.5K miles but Im sure CarMax or the dealer will give me less so they can make a profit.
 
trading a car in after 1 year of ownership is always a bad idea and it's even worse if it's a financed car. if you financed the entire amount and have only paid ~$6000 i would imagine you still owe around $25,000 in principal at best because you pay a lot of interest in your first 2 years. so let's say you get $20k for it (though i have a feeling it will be less), you're rolling over $5,000. for a $30,000 car that means you're paying an extra 17%+interest for that car. unless you don't like money it's a bad idea
 
yesterday I got to have some seat time in the 07 STi.

Car is good but it felt heavy when i got in it...everything is just like I expected, awesome but not to the race point of the Evo. What I like about it was the shifter, cherry blossom red trims (details and STi badging for the most), gauges, interior pretty much...the scoop is pretty cool but I heard it starts to rattle when you are going 100+ speeds lol. The steering wheel was awesome but since I had sat on the Evo VIII the day before, it just felt like a good steering wheel compared to the race lookin one on the evo. Oh and thumbs up to that flat engine rumble, wich is nice but as many say, it's a pain in the ass to work on.

...the Evo's seats, although I think they're just a BIT small for my upper back, they held great, I know they'll be a blast with a four point sparco seatbelt. The steering wheel was by no doubt better, more dull, but dull is just how race cars are. I didnt like the gauges, nor any other layouts of the other stuff (radio, a/c, etc) or lack there of, but as we drove the car hard, the feeling of being in a performance/race car, came over and in sort of does the opposite effect on you. You start to like the fact the layout if kind of dull and simple like a race car, you start to like the gauges that give you the feedback of how fckin fast you are taking the turn, and over all, the lightness of the car, gives you a very good feeling of how fast you're going and a very nimble sensation too. I liked the fact it also has the intercooler spray even though it has a FMIC (thought the STi was the only one that had it), makes it even sicker. I guess it would be fun to hook some CO2 to that too lol.

The seats of the STI as like the RX8's...while as the Evo's are very much like the S2K's.


Over all the Evo rocked, and that being an Evo VIII vs an 06 Sti comparison. The STi felt sluggish. It's true what the mags say, the EVO definately gives you more feedback an makes you feel like you are in control even if you're half sideways on a curve.

We also got into a 350Z and the lack of torque sucked, the power is there, but you dont feel it. On the turbochrged 4bangers, you feel the whiplash and then nothing as the rpms increase, when you shift you feel the whiplash again, then nothing (only on 1-3th gear), 4th, 5th and/or 6th gears dont do much feeling wise...this is all because of the torque. The 350Z is just nothin nothin then on high you sort feel it pull you back. But not THAT much, it sort of the same feeling you have on the top end of the turbo'd 4bangers except it pulls you a bit more, which is not much surprising, whiplash is whats fun...anyways, what that upper rpms pull means, is that the rwd hp 350z will slowly creep on ya on top end if you're not careful (talking towards the Speed6...Sti's and Evos have to worry about the 06 and the 07s). The car was way fun driving it hard, since it gives way to donuts and drifting, but ironically, as you have fun on how easy it is to do this, it makes you think how careful you have to be when driving this car....I wouldnt be surprised if a hard acceleration lane switch will make you lose control. Granted, you have to learn how to drive and learn how to control the car, throttle etc...but im just accentuating how easy it to brake this car l0ose. And as we know, most of us have our bad driving days or hte days we are driving extremely exhausted from work, school, gf's house,rainy days, etc and arent paying much attention to drving. So dont know how forgiving this car is to driver error. And no, it wasnt the new 07 Z, it was an 06.


But, all of them as great cars. Hope yall liked my review. Feel free to ask any questions.
 
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the intercooler sprayer went away when ACD was introduced to the US evo in 2005, btw, so if you're looking at an evo 9 then you won't get one. you do, however, get all kinds of other stuff that's actually useful in the newer models. the 03/04 evos were very basic with no front LSD, a standard mechanical center diff and a smaller turbo. they did have intercooler sprayers though. woohoo. i think with them you also had the small spoiler option and could get a sunroof without getting leather and upgraded stereo so some people like those aspects of them but they're the slowest and simplest evos we got in the US
 
no spray huh? that sucks. I guess I will have to wire my own CO2 setup. :(:)
 
just checked Buschur Racing. The power package looks good.

for $2,200 (shipping not included), it offers a lot.

These parts are the parts that make the most horsepower out of our regular stage 1-4 kits. This stage includes: Your choice of HKS cams, New timing belt & tensioner, BR Air Filter Kit, BR full 3" Turboback exhaust with your choice of mufflers as well as an Off-road pipe or highflow cat, Manual Boost Controller, boost gauge and mount, Walbro 255lph fuel pump, and a reflashed ECU to control boost, timing & fuel curves, remove the speed limiter, and raise the rev limiter. This package will produce a solid 330+whp on an AWD dyno.

So that's definately a most along with the CO2 kit that costs $375.


Do you think the stock IX's clutch can hold that kind of power? I mean, I wouldnt beat the crap out of it, I would say i'd drive it 10K miles like that before replacing it. Maybe 5-7 launches in stock mode, which Im sure I will get most of them bad before I learn and 3-7 launches on Stage4 mode.

I don't run my car WOT though all the gears (racing) everyday, I will occasionally do that every 3-7 days. I do however, like to redline it (at WOT) through 2-3 gears occasionally just to keep it running good lol.

Will the stock clutch on the EVOIX hold that long?

This is all assuming that the EVO is new or has a brand new stock clutch. I know that if I buy it used with 10K miles or so still with the factory clutch, I wll have to do clutch first.
 
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just checked Buschur Racing. The power package looks good.

for $2,200 (shipping not included), it offers a lot.



So that's definately a most along with the CO2 kit that costs $375.


Do you think the stock IX's clutch can hold that kind of power? I mean, I wouldnt beat the crap out of it, I would say i'd drive it 10K miles like that before replacing it. Maybe 5-7 launches in stock mode, which Im sure I will get most of them bad before I learn and 3-7 launches on Stage3 mode.

I don't run my car WOT though all the gears (racing) everyday, I will occasionally do that every 3-7 days. I do however, like to redline it (at WOT) through 2-3 gears occasionally just to keep it running good lol.

Will the stock clutch on the EVOIX hold that long?

This is all assuming that the EVO is new or has a brand new stock clutch. I know that if I buy it used with 10K miles or so still with the factory clutch, I wll have to do clutch first.



You should change out the clutch while at it. with those mods you should be in the 330whp range and the stock clutch won't like that after a few launches.
 
crap.

I was looking at clutches and they are worth a pretty good penny.

I'm guessing I have to go with a $1,500+ clutch that will hold or can a clutch under $1000 bucks do the job?

With the power package, the co2 kit, shipping & installation, I'm already pushing on the 3Ks. A clutch will cost a lot, and I think installation is a b*tch, so they charge a lot for that too. I will probably be able to install a few things by myself, like intake, co2 kit, etc though..
 
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crap.

I was looking at clutches and they are worth a pretty good penny.

I'm guessing I have to go with a $1,500+ clutch that will hold or can a clutch under $1000 bucks do the job?


Clutch for the evo are not cheap. The ACT clutch has a heavy duty clutch for about $700.00 or so but people have complained about getting locked out with it.

The one i would recommend would be a exedy single disc for $1000.00 or the twin disc which also includes a flywheel for $1500.00 and then they go up from their.


330 to 350 whp will be find for awhile on the stock clutch IF you don not launch the car at all
 
i would say you'll be fine for a while with those power levels on the stock clutch. it's not going to be the power that will kill it it will be how you drive it. that's not a lot of power and i'm sure there are a ton of people with more power still running on the stock clutch. but they don't abuse it

if you're planning to mod just make sure you have the means to cover a new clutch if it goes but don't mod around the clutch or plan on it going. if it goes, replace it. if not then you get plenty of "free" miles. it's a good clutch in stock form and you're not really pushing a lot of power. it'll be launches that will kill it not the power, the better you are at them the longer it will last. if you're not good you can kill the clutch in 1 launch

also i would guess that package is for the 8 not the 9 based on the cams (i don't think HKS makes them for the IX). you should see similar power on the IX with intake, exhaust, MBC, fuel pump and a tune. i would recommend reading on evom as the first mod, don't just dump money into stuff read and read and read and figure out what works and come up with a plan.

and why would you get a CO2 kit? of all of the "stage" kits i've seen for the evo i've never seen one contain a CO2 kit. there are better places to spend your money, at those power levels the stock intercooler is still fine. again, read before modding, don't just do what sounds good or what you think should be good because it works on other cars. people have been modding the 4G63 for over a decade, they know what works and what doesn't. take the time to learn from them. you're looking to be very basic with your modding and it'll be easy to learn what to do to meet your goals. just put in the time and research research research so you don't waste money and get the most bang for your buck
 
Clutch for the evo are not cheap. The ACT clutch has a heavy duty clutch for about $700.00 or so but people have complained about getting locked out with it.
are people still having that problem? i remember reading about that a year or maybe longer ago but people were saying that ACT knows about the problem and was working on a redesign to fix it. did that ever happen or did anyone ever figure out why it was happening so it could be corrected? from what i was reading it was sort of a mystery as to why it was happening and people couldn't even get it to happen consistently so they couldn't really diagnose it
 
are people still having that problem? i remember reading about that a year or maybe longer ago but people were saying that ACT knows about the problem and was working on a redesign to fix it. did that ever happen or did anyone ever figure out why it was happening so it could be corrected? from what i was reading it was sort of a mystery as to why it was happening and people couldn't even get it to happen consistently so they couldn't really diagnose it

Yeah, my buddy with his Evo 9 MR was telling me about it yesterday and he said that people were still complaining about it, but he also said the same thing about it happening randomly on the cars.
 
CO2 is a common mod. CO2 sprayed on the intercooler generates big cool down, especially in one of those day of parasitic heat...a.k.a. florida. It's the same concept for turbo/s/c cars; cold air --> intercooler = good. Don't see why it would be wrong.

Yes, I need to read, buschur doesnt seem to specify between the products of the two. They just [recently] released cams for the IX though.
 
HKS did release the MIVEC cams I believe... but haven't seen any solid results yet(at least I haven't)
Because of the better hotside and slightly bigger turbo with MIVEC, evo 9 will yield more power with the same mods on the 8.
People always tell me this about evo vs. sti:
Do you like tuned street car? Sti
Do you like detuned race car? Evo
And I tend to agree with that statement. I'm sure some might disagree, but hey
(shady)
 
oh, and just letting you know, I have evo 9 with cams and basic bolt ons with good tune I get 350whp/340tq. I care less about HP, but I am very very very happy with power curve and my torque(yes)(92 octane here)
Keep in mind octane levels in gas really plays a role with turbo cars, especially Evo and Sti's so keep that in mind


Maybe because for 2 to 3 grand into a EVO 9 you'll be putting down 350whp and be able to hit high 11's to low 12's

4g63 has reached its peak maturity, and there's really not too many engines out nowadays that can produce this much power with 2.0 liters. MS6 is awsome car, but it just can't match the performance and driving feel of the evo. I'm not bashing mazdas at all(I had 3 before, and I still miss my rx8)but Modding MS6 vs modding Evo is comparing apples to oranges in my opinion.
I'm not like expert, just expressing my opinion, feel free to flame away if you have the urge:)
 
CO2 is a common mod. CO2 sprayed on the intercooler generates big cool down, especially in one of those day of parasitic heat...a.k.a. florida. It's the same concept for turbo/s/c cars; cold air --> intercooler = good. Don't see why it would be wrong.
i know its purpose. on the other hand in all of my years of looking at the "look at what i did to my evo" threads on evom i don't recall ever seeing one say they put it on. some of the show cars do nitrous and i'm sure there are some that have done CO2, it's just not a common thing and i'm assuming that's probably for a reason.
 
Both cars respond brilliantly to mods. Both cars are also pretty brick solid. The only thing that would push me towards the sti is the build quality of the evo's interior. I don't like the feel of cheap plastic and the evo has too much of it. If you are paying 28k + for a car, you should get some door panels that don't raddle and shake.
 
Both cars respond brilliantly to mods. Both cars are also pretty brick solid. The only thing that would push me towards the sti is the build quality of the evo's interior. I don't like the feel of cheap plastic and the evo has too much of it. If you are paying 28k + for a car, you should get some door panels that don't raddle and shake.



I agree I've been in few GSR's with cloth and RS's and don't like the interrior at all. My buddy has the Evo 9MR and his interrior is much better than the others.
 
i like my interior for the most part but i have the ssl package. cloth on the 8th is pretty bad but i believe all 9s have a nicer seat material. some people don't like the gaugest and center console but it's fine with me. my biggest complaint is that the dash is a hard plastic. i haven't heard of any issues with rattling (though i can't say i've tried to find any). the door "thud" is 10000x better than the protege. it doesn't feel like a piece of tin foil. i have heard of rattling in subarus in general as they don't use a window frame and the glass of the window rattles. don't know if this is true with the STI but i don't see why it wouldn't be
 
every car has its rattles. My MS6 is "refined" an it has a rattle I cant quite pinpoint where its coming from...I think it's the sunroof...its impossible to fix [quiet] rattles, I have learned that...everytimes you do, they come back or a new one appears...happened to my buddy's tC.

Best way to solve it is to race your volume and rock that music!
 

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