Problems with K&N replacement filters?

drledford93

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Mazdaspeed 3
Has anyone had problems (CELs, MAF problems) after installing a K&N replacement filter? My stealership is trying to blame the filter for "gunking up" the MAF with oil and causing a bunch of ECU codes. (I've had many, many cars with K&Ns (including other Mazdas) and never had a problem with them.)

Any thoughts?

Daniel
 
I haven't heard about any MAF issues with the drop-in filters but have read plenty of MAF stories where short-ram filters were over-oiled and it gunked up the MAF.

I have seen several used oil analyses that produced abnormally high silicon numbers with the drop-ins, and that's been an effective deterrent for me.
 
Silicone (sand) smaller than the micron filtering level of the filter are making it into the intake tract, and into the oil where it happily grinds away at your bearings.
 
I just spoke with a K&N rep who said that many MAFs have a silicone gel sprayed on the circuit boards to protect against damage and hence the increased levels of silicone in the oil...

FYI...YMMV.

Daniel
 
I think your stealership is telling you the truth. An over oiled k&n will cause havoc on the sensor. Put it to stock clean the maf and see if the problem goes away. If not bring it in then.
 
I think your stealership is telling you the truth. An over oiled k&n will cause havoc on the sensor. Put it to stock clean the maf and see if the problem goes away. If not bring it in then.

+1

Dry Flow Filters FTW!
 
Well, we'll see tomorrow. The stealership has my car and will put in a new MAF tomorrow. FWIW, the K&N did seem *a bit* more oiled than previous versions I have had...

What's a good "dry flow filter"? I've never heard of one...(always used K&N)

Daniel
 
Would you be able to provide some supporting data to that claim, BlackCherry?

It was either on Mazda 3 Forums dot com or BITOG where someone posted the results of their used oil analyses, both before and after the installation of a K&N. I'll try to find it tomorrow.
 
Here's the passage I was referring to, written by a senior member of Mazda 3 forums about his multiple oil analyses involving a K&N filter. I just wish they posted their UOAs like they do on BITOG.

..."a K&N filter does allow more air to pass through when clean... but also allows more dust/dirt to pass through at the same time (common sense). Not only that, but it also displays how much easier it is to clog than a paper filter (thank the great oiled-cotton for that).

Ever seen a cotton-gauze (K&N) filter under a microscope? No? Here's a good opportunity to see a brand new one under intense magnification: http://theoildrop.server101.com/cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=15;t=000338

I'm not an anti K&N person... but I definitely think that people are gravely mislead into thinking their K&N filter will be "God's gift of power & economy" on their vehicle. The fact is... everytime you wash the K&N filter, you break down the cotton-gauze media even more. 90% of the people out there over-oil them as well... which can cause plenty of problems behind the filter (sure it traps the dirt, but where do you think all that extra oil will go? ).

As for the increase in power & mpg... On my previous vehicle (2000 Nissan Frontier v6), I put a K&N filter in and ran it for 40,000mi. After becoming a bit more educated on the filter by looking at things like what I just showed you, as well as looking at UOA after UOA showing higher silicon signs (most commonly caused by poor air filtration), I took it out and went for a Wix paper filter. The result? The exact same MPG... and no noticable loss in power. After performing my very next UOA... I watched my silicon levels cut in half!

Granted... if you don't keep your vehicle for more than 40-50k miles, I wouldn't worry about it. On the flip side of that however, if you plan on keeping your 3 for longer than that, I would strongly reconsider what you're doing before dropping a K&N in there. Same goes for CAI's & other filtration alterations. Over longer periods of time... that "insignificant" amount of dirt that passes through can turn into a pretty big problem. Why take the risk? To save yourself $50 spread-out over the life of your vehicle? To each their own I suppose..."
 
I dropped in a K&N last week, but then put on a custom short ram intake with a Spectre cone filter. Started having what I think are MAF problems (very slow to accelerate, much hesitation) as soon as I put in the cone filter. I put the stock airbox back in with the K&N filter, but am still having problems even after using cleaner on the MAF several times.

It's going into the the dealership next week, we'll see what happens. I'm really worried they're going to deny me warranty work over the K&N filter thing and also the the fact that I drilled holes in the box. Although I was up front with the service manager and told him about cutting the box right away, so maybe that'll help. Will provide an update after Tuesday.
 
where can you and what is the cost to get used oil analyzed? i threw in a K & N with less than a 100 miles on my m3. am intrested in tracking these changes.
 
Well, we'll see tomorrow. The stealership has my car and will put in a new MAF tomorrow. FWIW, the K&N did seem *a bit* more oiled than previous versions I have had...

What's a good "dry flow filter"? I've never heard of one...(always used K&N)

Daniel

AEM makes the filters for the MS-CAI. That's why I have one on my CPE.
 
Silicon and silicone are two completely different things. So, siliCONE on a MAFS will not lead to SiliCON in the intake.

Silicon = sand = computer chips
Silicone = caulking = breast implants

One of the issues with oiled air filters like the K&N is that overoiling the filter can lead to bad MAFS and drivability issues. This is because the MAFS can get coated by filter oil. I never had the problem as I was careful not to overoil my K&N. However, I know people who had to clean their MAFS with electronics cleaner to solve drivability issues.
 

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