Young Turbo Enthusiast with some questions

[Dragon_Reborn]

Young Turbo Enthusiast with some questions

Im interested in getting Spoolins turbo kit, (plan on getting it in less than 4 months, should have the money by then or a credit card with a really big credit line (sssh) ) either Stage 1 with no intercooler and the shorty manifold or stage 3 kit with the intercooler and longer manifold. Why? 2 reasons money and design/fit. For one, the intercooler upgrade is $900.00 and 2nd, I have a 2002 Protg ES Sedan, not an MP3 or Protg 5 ( I just hit 12 k miles and its an Auto) so Im not too sure what I would have to modify on the front bumper to mount the intercooler and piping if I get the stage 3 add on, b/c as most of you know the Protg sedans front bumper is different from the MP3 and P5 and Im not too sure how much room is available for an intercooler and piping... Also Im still debating on whether to take my car to a shop, or to do it myself ( I have access to tools and a lift) with a couple of friends. Also Im no too sure what all comes with the kit except whats listed: (http://www.spool-turbo.com/tk04.html) it lists Stainless steel braided oil lines, the Garrett turbo, SPOOL shorty tubular manifold, Turbonetics external wastegate, Pre gapped turbo spark plugs, Healthy 2.5 inch race down pipe. Im kind of concerned about replacement fuel injectors and a BOV, and the ECU, and the O2 sensor(s) and what not. Could someone please clarify? Now, Im no turbo expert here but Im fairly knowledgeable about cars and engine components and how they work. I believe most of the kit will not be too hard to install. I would have to take out my Injen CAI (no problem) and I could install the boost gauge, the SPOOL full tubular manifold, the wastegate, the actual turbo, new spark plugs, new injectors, and the intake piping and filter along with the BOV. Now what I dont have a clue about on how to do: The Stainless steel braided oil lines with anodized fittings, the exhaust piping from the turbo, and how to tweak the turbo and boost settings. That brings up another question, the oil going to the turbo from the steel braided oil lines is used to cool/lubricate the bearings within the turbo b/c there spinning so fast correct? What other types of turbos are out there? I mean is this the only design consideration. I have heard about water cooled turbos and turbos with bearings that can withstand the heat, is this true.. again someone please clarify thanks. Now how hard is it to install the exhaust piping from the turbo, and how hard is it to install the steel braided oil lines??? And how do I tweak or adjust boost on the turbo if I get the stage 1 kit with no intercooler then I will probably be running 4-5psi like it suggests or if I get the intercooler upgrade I might run 7-8 psi. What do you guys think? Im also concerned about the large amount of heat generated from the turbo and how the turbo is situated, I dont want to have any issues with oil leaks either and I dont want my $hit to look Ghetto, I want a clean install and I dont want to run into any issues. Sorry for the long thread, but Ill appreciate everyones replies and their advice. Thanks. -Joe-

 

[Dragon_Reborn]

time for some sleep after writing all of that, be back later to check the replies.

 

[Kooldino]

Hey. Only had time to skim your post, but I say install it yourself (with friends) if you have access to tools/etc. A non intercooled should be cake, and stage 3 shouldn't be TOO hard.

 

[LinuxRacr]

Re: Young Turbo Enthusiast with some questions

That brings up another question, the oil going to the turbo from the steel braided oil lines is used to cool/lubricate the bearings within the turbo b/c there spinning so fast correct? What other types of turbos are out there? I mean is this the only design consideration. I have heard about water cooled turbos and turbos with bearings that can withstand the heat, is this true.. again someone please clarify thanks.

Well on this...yes the oil is used to cool the bearings. Most conventional turbos the oil IS essentially the bearing called a fluid bearing. The water cooled turbos are the same turbo, except that they have a "water jacket/pocket" around the oil chamber (or what ever it is called) that helps to cool the oil used for the bearing. The water comes from the car's cooling system (radiator coolant supply). The beauty of what this does is that it cuts out the "need" for a turbo timer. You just simply stay out of boost 60 seconds before shuting your engine off. This is a feature that is a part of the FM Turbo Kits for our Proteges (I have this kit!). I am sure that Terry (Spoolinmp3) can get this for you if you want.

 

[spoolinmp3]

Everything in the kit comes with instructions ect. Oil lines are not so difficult to install and the kit comes with absolutly everything. Depending on your mechanical ability you may want to consider taking it to a shop if you are not so mechanicaly inclined, however if you are confident....go for it!!
The intercooler should fit in your bumper with no problems. If I missed anything let me know. And if you have any indepth questions you can email me directly or call me and I would be happy to assist you.

also...whats listed on our website are KEY features. That is not all thats included in the kit, just some of the things. If you want a total parts list break down I can provide that for you.

 

[spoolinmp3]

another thing you do not have to tweak the turbo, the external wastegate is preset to 4.5 psi. And the FMU is adjustable. As far as watercooling is concerned, our turbos are watercooled but we chose not to utilize it because of the raised engine operating tepms in hot environments such as south florida, however you can run water lines but this is not necassary. Properly cooling down your motor or purchasing a turbo timer is plenty sufficient.
Regarding engine bay heat temps......we have had NO problems even here in Miami. Our turbo's sit low in the engine bay for this primary reason (very similar to mazdaspeeds oem design) And we have not experienced even 1 leak regarding oil lines. All high quality stuff here...thats why we use stainless lines and high quality anodized fittings that can withstand extreme temps

 

[spoolinmp3]

I would highly reccommend getting maximum boost and read up on it while you are saving up for your kit. This will give you a better understanding on how turbo systems work

 

[Dragon_Reborn]

Thanks for the info and advice guys I greatly appreciate it, and I feel more confident to tackle the job myself. now the only issue seems to be the $$$.

 

[Dragon_Reborn]

guess we only have a couple people on this site that can read, just playin, just wish more people would respond, especially people who have the turbo kit. oh well. Another question ->turbo timer, easy to install or what? and still no one has said anything about how to do the exhaust piping from the turbo on out. sorry for all the questions, at least there not dumb questions.

 

[Dragon_Reborn]

damn 3 people responded to my thread within 10 hours, thats sad, come on guys, got nothing else to say?

 

[YP5 Toronto]

I dont think its that people don't read or that thier isn't more knowledge to share, I think much of what you are asking has been asked many different times in different posts.

Many, including myslef found it a bit more constructive to use the search engine and read up on old posts. It is the more teadious avenue, but it serves to be more useful in the long run.

Many of the guru's / newly boosted members can quite tired of reposting the same stuff. So...do some back reading.

This is not a flame......merely a suggestion.

 

[Dragon_Reborn]

i did do a search and read up on it.