Please read, CIA vs K&N...

[BremertonMSP]

Time for my $0.02, I did the dyno run with the stock box, and the K&N. My HP stayed the same, but the torque dropped off bad. By as much as 10 ft lbs. All because of the location of the filter, which is right behind the cooling fan for the a/c condenser/radiator/intercooler (ill never understand why they put a frikin fan right behind the intercooler)

Geez, I know, because it helps prevent heat soak while sitting at a light maybe? Or maybe that's just a fan that was in the inventory (used on another vehicle) and was usable for the intended application.

you can also see where the cooling fan kicked on right around 5.2k rpms.

Rig up a kill switch for the fans, not to hard to do. But I would use a relay, since there is quite a current draw from the fans.

Remember all, this is a turbo car.

Thanks for reminding us. Most of us MSP owners fail to remember that trivial fact.

Aside from what my dyno graph shows, an SRI, done properly, with heat shield, will benefit a car more-so then a cold air intake. A turbo car WANTS air, and wants it fast, a CAI is anywhere from 12-15 inches longer then an SRI, and have a few more bends in them.

First off :bs: The length of the intake tract to the turbo ain't gonna do jack to spool up time. So you think before the turbo starts to spool up there is a void in the intake that the turbo has to suck air into? Maybe if you increase the tract AFTER the turbo, that will increase lag due to the increased area that needs to be filled with pressurized air. Exhaust flow and turbo design are going to play a large part in turbo lag. Bends come into play when you start pulling large quantities of air. But by then, the turbo is already spooled up and going.

The benefit of the "denser" air from outside the car is a mute point when dealing with a boosted car. .

Okay, now your just flat out wrong. Cold air equals denser air. Denser air equals more power, period. Why do race cars of any type be it N/A or forced induction make more hp when the air is cool? I repeat: Cold air equals denser air. Denser air equals more power, period. Just because an engine uses forced induction, doesn't mean you should pump hot air into it.

Its moving air, and moving it fast. An SRI gets the air to the turbo faster, thus letting more volume of air get to the t/b, thus also bringing down lag time. Remember also, the intercooler does bring the temps BACK down to ambient air temps, AFTER the turbo heats the air up to its internal temps.

Blah, blah, blah. Again, the length of the intake tract (prior to the turbo) has nothing to do with spool up time. Give me a CAI over your short little heat sucking intake any day. Go ahead and compress your hot, thin air. I'll stick with my cooler denser air from the fenderwell. And BTW, no air to air IC is 100% efficient, so the air coming out of the IC will not be brought back down to ambient temperatures. Especially at higher boost levels when the air is traveling too fast through the IC to be cooled efficiently.

 

[boostisgood]

Geez, I know, because it helps prevent heat soak while sitting at a light maybe? Or maybe that's just a fan that was in the inventory (used on another vehicle) and was usable for the intended application.



Rig up a kill switch for the fans, not to hard to do. But I would use a relay, since there is quite a current draw from the fans.




Thanks for reminding us. Most of us MSP owners fail to remember that trivial fact.



First off :bs: The length of the intake tract to the turbo ain't gonna do jack to spool up time. So you think before the turbo starts to spool up there is a void in the intake that the turbo has to suck air into? Maybe if you increase the tract AFTER the turbo, that will increase lag due to the increased area that needs to be filled with pressurized air. Exhaust flow and turbo design are going to play a large part in turbo lag. Bends come into play when you start pulling large quantities of air. But by then, the turbo is already spooled up and going.



Okay, now your just flat out wrong. Cold air equals denser air. Denser air equals more power, period. Why do race cars of any type be it N/A or forced induction make more hp when the air is cool? I repeat: Cold air equals denser air. Denser air equals more power, period. Just because an engine uses forced induction, doesn't mean you should pump hot air into it.




Blah, blah, blah. Again, the length of the intake tract (prior to the turbo) has nothing to do with spool up time. Give me a CAI over your short little heat sucking intake any day. Go ahead and compress your hot, thin air. I'll stick with my cooler denser air from the fenderwell. And BTW, no air to air IC is 100% efficient, so the air coming out of the IC will not be brought back down to ambient temperatures. Especially at higher boost levels when the air is traveling too fast through the IC to be cooled efficiently.

I will answer your Ignorant reply properly when I get home. There was no reason to answer this in a flaming fashion, when all you wouldve needed to do was give simple responces, or corrections.

Im starting to believe in the majority of thje MSP owners having a superiority complex, that the P5 and MP3 guys see.

Have a nice day.

 

[AFaceInTheCrowd]

Blah, blah, blah. Again, the length of the intake tract (prior to the turbo) has nothing to do with spool up time. Give me a CAI over your short little heat sucking intake any day. Go ahead and compress your hot, thin air. I'll stick with my cooler denser air from the fenderwell. And BTW, no air to air IC is 100% efficient, so the air coming out of the IC will not be brought back down to ambient temperatures. Especially at higher boost levels when the air is traveling too fast through the IC to be cooled efficiently.

what about a air-to-water, how bout that?

 

[AGR]

not me,,,,,,

I ain't got no superiority complex. (omg)

 

[chwood]

Re: not me,,,,,,

I ain't got no superiority complex. (omg)

Me either!



(psst - but my CAR does (yes))

(bow) (mspb)

 

[TURBO3WAGON]

Hello, this is a flame free environment!!

NO (flame) (flame2) HERE, PLEASE....


Thank you very much...

 

[Kenetix]

I had an air to water intercooler on my Celica Alltrac, thing was a piece of s***, guys were always trying to find A/A intercoolers off the ST185's because they were better.