Over Kill ground Kits

[p5tom]

Yo, anyone try an Over Kill ground kit on a P5 and can claim any results?
Some cars get a good increase in HP... (wrc)

 

[Poseur]

I really can't say as far as horsepower, my butt-dyno isn't very well tuned. I'm running one of 1sty's kits, and I will say that it's made my idle more stable, and seems to have smoothed my engine out a decent bit. And most of all, pushing in the well over Kilowatt range of power, my dimming and voltage drop issues have all but gone away.

Mostly it's something you can do that's not too expensive, looks really cool, can't possibly hurt anything, and only stands to improve things.

 

[mp5jeff]

ground kit might give you 1hp which won't be noticable, it's more for throttle response and better idle, etc...

 

[p5tom]

cool, where did u get the kit and how much installed?

I really can't say as far as horsepower, my butt-dyno isn't very well tuned. I'm running one of 1sty's kits, and I will say that it's made my idle more stable, and seems to have smoothed my engine out a decent bit. And most of all, pushing in the well over Kilowatt range of power, my dimming and voltage drop issues have all but gone away.

Mostly it's something you can do that's not too expensive, looks really cool, can't possibly hurt anything, and only stands to improve things.

 

[Poseur]

Installed it myself, Got it from the forum member 1sty, but if you're a little less lazy you can make your own (there's a how-to for it)

 

[Nutari]

I was all like..

ground kit = body kit..

GROUNDING kit...

yes yes.. (fu)

 

[anarchistchiken]

what you just said definatly made no sense until I read that about four times.

 

[DiS]

GROUND KITS WILL NOT give you horse power. All they do is restore the original horse power that your car had when it was brand new out of the conveer belt. Since it provides better grounding it just gives you back what you had before.

 

[jnorion]

^^^ But you still may have more available hp after installing the kit than you did before installing it...

 

[DiS]

^^^ But you still may have more available hp after installing the kit than you did before installing it...

not true. Wiring kit is just a WIRES that provide grounding. Thin wires provide poor grounding, thick ones provide better grounding. Thats all it is. Doesnt matter what kind of a name or color that kit has. The thicker the wires, better the grounding. Thats all there is to it. Explain to me, how in the world does wiring kit provide you with more power.

 

[1sty]

not true. Wiring kit is just a WIRES that provide grounding. Thin wires provide poor grounding, thick ones provide better grounding. Thats all it is. Doesnt matter what kind of a name or color that kit has. The thicker the wires, better the grounding. Thats all there is to it. Explain to me, how in the world does wiring kit provide you with more power.

Your very correct, like a clutch and flywheel upgrade, any gains that a grounding kit can yeild, in many ways was really always there. They are just being made available, although this logic can be applied for most mods. The reason a stock car might be able to gain a small amount of horsepower is because of not how thin the factory grounds are, but becuase of the grounding paths and the resistance it sees. For instance an alternator grounds to the engine block yet there is no engine ground on a protege. It actualy runs through the engine, has to pass through the tranny bolts, to the tranny, then through the tranny and through the crappy little bracket that the groud wire is actualy mounted to. In this path there can be a rather high resistance. Now the most that you can do is try to get that and other ground paths to show less resistnace so that electrical devices can function more freely so to speak.

Newer cars seems to be alright for the most part, however as a car ages the factory wires rust out rather qucily as do the crimp connections. A grounding kit also works to bring back the factory connectivity. However, many aftermarket ground kits have totaly open crimps that will again just rust out rather quickly.

Oh and wire thickness only becomes an issue as you approach a wires current limit. SO long as you aren't running to many amps through the wire, then the resistance will not increase.

 

[DiS]

1sty! you are the man with the plan. I absolutely agree with your point. Thats what I meant regarding the thickness of the wires. Well said man. I was too tired when I posted last post and just slapped together a simple explanation. (thumb)

 

[sndsgood]

okay before grounding kit you have one hp. after a good grounding kit your hp is higher,(if done properly on the right car) this to me is a gain, if the car wasnt seeing it beforehand and now it does that is a gain.

saying the hp was always there is kind of irrelevant. thats like saying a cold air intake doesnt give you any h.p. because the potential was always there for more. the small intake restricted the airflow where the larger intake allowed the air to move more freely. same thing as the ground points, poor grounding wire allowed poor ground of electronics causing the car to not run as well. bigger wires and proper grounding points helped acheive a better running car resulting in more hp. hp is either there or its not, not like its hiding in the glove box or something.


i will say this, you will not feel any results from proper grounding and any gains acheived will be absolutely minimal. and to do it right you can't just slap some wires on and call it a day. you need to test the grounding spots to find the least resistance. wich requires some testing equipment and for the best outcome a dyno. wich 99.9% of the people won't do.

 

[DiS]

Dude you are comparing completely 2 different things in here. How can you compare things such as an intake and a grounding wires. When your car is new, the grounding kit provide cetrain grounding, and when your car gets older the wires get a little rusty restring the grounding itself to ground properly. Therefore if you get new wires all you do is restore that initial power.

Same thing if you would talk about an air filter. You bought an air filter for example, after 30k miles your car doesnt get much of the air as it used to when the air filter was brand new (as because its clogged now, just as rusted grounding wires in example) you take it off and put a new filter in, at which point you are restoring the horse power.

Do a real dyno and you wont see any hp increment. Butt dyno is misleading.

 

[jnorion]

You guys are both meaning the same thing, just saying it in different ways. We understand.

 

[1sty]

Same thing if you would talk about an air filter. You bought an air filter for example, after 30k miles your car doesnt get much of the air as it used to when the air filter was brand new (as because its clogged now, just as rusted grounding wires in example) you take it off and put a new filter in, at which point you are restoring the horse power.

Do a real dyno and you wont see any hp increment. Butt dyno is misleading.

Thats the debatable point, if a ground kit can show a gain on a brand new stock car. If so then its much like an intake, if not, then its like changing a dirty air filter.

There, everyone happy?(lol2)

 

[DiS]

Thats the debatable point, if a ground kit can show a gain on a brand new stock car. If so then its much like an intake, if not, then its like changing a dirty air filter.

There, everyone happy?(lol2)

it can only by having different grounding points. Meaning it WILL restore the original horsepowers which were stored in the car, but STOCK ground wires hide some of that horse power. Thats why u see some increment. Although, thats my point of view. All people have different opinions. (thumb)

By the way, Im not implying that people shouldnt buy these, They should, because of what I just have said.

 

[sndsgood]

the hole point of a grounding kit is to find better grounding points, and grounding more then what the factory did, just because the car is grounded from the factory doesnt mean it is the optimal ground point. ive seen a few dyno runs with grounding kits, and ive seen a couple cars pick up over 5hp from them. but me i'm not up for a day at 75$ and hour on a dyno trying to pick up a couple extra h.p. but if u have the money and the time it can make an improvement, will it make it on your car? only your grounding skills and the dyno will tell. but it can make an improvement.


stock grounding wires don't hide horsepower, horsepower is there or its not.

 

[DiS]

the hole point of a grounding kit is to find better grounding points, and grounding more then what the factory did, just because the car is grounded from the factory doesnt mean it is the optimal ground point. ive seen a few dyno runs with grounding kits, and ive seen a couple cars pick up over 5hp from them. but me i'm not up for a day at 75$ and hour on a dyno trying to pick up a couple extra h.p. but if u have the money and the time it can make an improvement, will it make it on your car? only your grounding skills and the dyno will tell. but it can make an improvement.


stock grounding wires don't hide horsepower, horsepower is there or its not.

Thats exactly my point. All those ponies that you will see on the dyno is what car actually has, but not shows with stock ghetto wiring.