twizyours said:
PS- The 1G DSM turbo dwarfs the puny paperweight that the PGT has- I don't know where you got the idea that they weren't that much different.
A T25 is not all that, but you are rite the stock probe turbo is nothing, but with a t3 turbine and rx-7 compressor. I was also going for good mild street, I think I could pull 300 HP at of the 2.2 stock but I havent dont have the money now so well see. I was just going for street usee 200 plus horsepower in a 2400 lb car isnt bad. If I wanted to start getting into all out or track. Well lets say you can easily get a pgt for $2000 or less A FE3 Hmmm you tell me the potentiol of that. To my understanding the fe3 drops rite in a 1st gen probe/mx-6. That engine is real sweet. The engine also doesnt cost no $3000. I am not knocking dsm,s as I like them. You also dont have all that many people that go all out on 1st gen probes as resources as quit plentifull. I do agree on the ecu as most mazda ecus arent really up to par. Their is alot of potentiol depending on what avenue you choose. If you think the Fe3 motor is a joke, well then I dont know what to say. I wish I could get a prob rite now to play with but I cant. I will never believe the probe has no potentiol stock. Is their more for the dsm yes, but who said fun is always easy. Considering the price of a probe and fe3 it is cost efective. It all depends on what you want, like, and how you want to get it.
1st- T25 is on the 2G's- that turbo is not the same as the 14B on the 1G- much less air flow
.. I was referring to the 14B. EDIT- also, the T3 turbine with RX7 compressor is comparable to the 14B, still not that big of a turbo- your "upgrade" is just about equal to the DSM stock turbo
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Also, I never said the motor wasn't that good, but the fuel management sucks, so you are fighting an uphill battle. While I never said it wasn't that bad, it isn't the best either. The 4G63 is capable of handling in excess of 500 crank HP without even as much as a re-ring. It is a VERY stout motor. Couple that with the engine management and you have a very potent street car (in the right hands) for very little $$$.. If you are talking $$$- I bought a 91 TSI AWD for $3000- a used catback was $150 and I gutted the cat, put an MBC on it ($45), did the "free stuff" (MAF hacks, etc.) and a K&N stock replacement filter ($30)- the car went 12.92 102 and it was 100% stock aside from the mods listed- stock turbo, IC, IC pipes, clutch, AC, fully loaded, leather, etc.- I'd call that a street car, not a race car
.. All for a total of $3225!!! Why the hell would you want to buy a car that you are saying a motor swap is a mod and then consider that "bang for the buck". OK, might be bang for the "buck" but definately not the most bang for the "effort"..
There is a reason you don't see many (if any?) PGT's running good #'s at the track
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It is mostly just a matter of opinion and preference, however- there is some fact involved also as to the "potential" of the different cars with stock electronics, etc..
Just curious (can't remember) is the PGT single or dual cam? If it is single, that is something else you have against you when building.
Joe
PS- I agree with your "but who said fun is always easy" comment- that is part of the reason I still have the MSP
.. I have a much faster car and I can easily build other cars to be much faster, but it is still fun making it do more than it did stock
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